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Thursday, January 26, 2017

#debian channel featuring configuringMOUSE, odfhw5bv9s, zykotick9, judd, magnulu, teraflops, and 15 others.

configuringMOUSE 2017-01-26 08:45:33
sudo apt-get install xbindkeysrc -> vi .xbindkeysrc -> xte 'key Up'"b:8 -> run xbindkeys
configuringMOUSE 2017-01-26 08:46:23
if you do that, pressing one of the thumb buttons will equal to press key Uparrow, but if you are holding left or right mouse button and press the same thumb button, it will do nothing, it will just resort to default thumb button behaviour
somiaj 2017-01-26 08:49:38
configuringMOUSE: do you know if this is generating real of fake events, many apps don't like fake key/mouse presses.
somiaj 2017-01-26 08:51:10
it might also be the order that the events are being recieved, so when holding a mouse button down, something else may be monintoring the event and not passing it on...
configuringMOUSE 2017-01-26 08:51:27
somiaj: this is app independant, even xev will ignore the remap
somiaj 2017-01-26 08:52:15
usually the wm gets first whack at dealing with events, then it passes them along if it doesn't have any bindings setup
configuringMOUSE 2017-01-26 08:54:28
I thought xev received the events before any window/desktop manager
somiaj 2017-01-26 08:54:36
nope
somiaj 2017-01-26 08:54:48
xev only recieves events that the wm/de doesn't have, so if you have a binding xev won't see it
dwarfmut 2017-01-26 08:54:53
guys... the x201i its a good laptop?
somiaj 2017-01-26 08:55:11
kinda like if you have a binding in your wm, it won't pass to the app, so if you bind ctrl-q in your wm, an app cannot recive that
configuringMOUSE 2017-01-26 08:55:55
somiaj: I don't have a binding in my window manager to the keys I am binding, but if this is happening because the manager, then it gets even worse
somiaj 2017-01-26 08:56:41
configuringMOUSE: my wm sometimes has a generic binding for all mouse buttons, but in my wm I have a binding for Super_R to launch xterms, xev doens't recive the keepress for Super_R because my wm takes it
somiaj 2017-01-26 08:57:03
one way to test things is to run a xsession with only an xterm so there sin't any wm/other app intercepting the bindings
configuringMOUSE 2017-01-26 08:58:14
I was with i3, I had to switch because it was killing my eyes.. now I am with KDE, sometimes the compositor gets messy and my eyes hurt (like now) but if I reboot gets back to normal
configuringMOUSE 2017-01-26 08:59:35
but I don't think KDE is interfering, I think xbindkeys can only listen only for a single button at once, so holding one kind of denies the remapping on the other
configuringMOUSE 2017-01-26 08:59:47
same thing happens with imwheel
Pr0metheus 2017-01-26 09:01:07
any idea why the netbeans package is available for whizzy, stretch, testing but not jessie?
styles 2017-01-26 09:01:17
I was trying to install something that had some messed up packages. I can't remember what and I'm stuck with The following packages have unmet dependencies:
tomcres 2017-01-26 09:01:25
,v netbeans
judd 2017-01-26 09:01:26
Package: netbeans on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.0.1+dfsg1-5; sid: 8.1+dfsg3-1; stretch: 8.1+dfsg3-1; experimental: 8.2+dfsg1-1
styles 2017-01-26 09:01:35
How can I figureo ut how to either remove the half installed package or clean this up so I can upgrade my system
zykotick9 2017-01-26 09:02:38
styles: have to tried "apt-get -f install" yet?
styles 2017-01-26 09:03:00
I was scared to lol
stew 2017-01-26 09:06:36
Pr0metheus: it was removed when it failed to build: https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/netbeans/news/20140430T163913Z.html
magnulu 2017-01-26 09:06:36
how can I find out if I need postgresql installed (without stopping it and waiting for something to break)
stew 2017-01-26 09:07:56
Pr0metheus: oops, wrong one, but the right one has the same reason: https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/netbeans/news/20151205T163912Z.html
Pr0metheus 2017-01-26 09:08:33
thanks stew, found it very strange
zykotick9 2017-01-26 09:08:43
magnulu: "aptitude why FOO" would tell you if any other packages rely on it
magnulu 2017-01-26 09:09:25
zykotick9: thanks
doublehp 2017-01-26 09:09:50
I wrote /etc/cron.hourly/munin_update_zm.sh ... with perms -rwxr-xr-x . It does not seem to be run at all; manual execution from interactive shell works fine; but output does not seem to be sent to /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog or emails; here is the beginning that REALLY SHOULD send things ... http://slexy.org/view/s2E3gNSPCV
stew 2017-01-26 09:10:47
Pr0metheus: i'm not going to be too surprised to find out that it's not the most well looked after package
no_gravity 2017-01-26 09:10:53
Are you guys using noatime for your local paritions?
stew 2017-01-26 09:11:08
Pr0metheus: I've been developing for the JVM for a long time, and I can't remember the last time I actually encoutnered someone that wanted to use netbeans
Pr0metheus 2017-01-26 09:12:29
stew well i am not sure about it, just looking for an ide for webdevelopment (html,php,css)
no_gravity 2017-01-26 09:15:12
I switched to noatime today.
no_gravity 2017-01-26 09:15:16
I wonder who thought that keeping track of access time by default is a good idea.
ryouma 2017-01-26 09:16:01
atime is not default on debian jessie
ryouma 2017-01-26 09:16:28
that is, updating at access is not default
ryouma 2017-01-26 09:16:37
and that's called atime i think
ryouma 2017-01-26 09:17:07
relatime or whatever it's called is default\)
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:17:08
Hi
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:17:46
I need a development editor for Linux, for c++, js and html :)
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:18:10
vscode would be perfect, but it doesn't run on ARM
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:18:17
Any suggestions?
no_gravity 2017-01-26 09:18:34
Wizard: VIM
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:18:57
Nope
at0m 2017-01-26 09:19:57
Wizard: debian or raspbian? looking for a developer? then i'd ask and lurk long.
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:20:15
raspbian
apathor 2017-01-26 09:24:55
Wizard: emacs? :)
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:25:11
apathor: :)
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:25:30
Maybe jEdit? :P
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:25:38
does anyone have an idea why I have to run commands like curl, wget, lynx, etc. as root all of a sudden?
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:26:37
I've checked the permissions of each and they're fine
teraflops 2017-01-26 09:26:46
soupmagnet: what happens when you run them as normal user?
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:26:46
Go to /usr/bin and check modification dates
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:27:30
$ curl -I google.com -> curl: (7) Failed to connect to 127.0.0.1 port 8888: Connection refused
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:27:36
that
odfhw5bv9s 2017-01-26 09:27:47
Hi all! I have some questions. I'm an ubuntu user now. I got dissatisfied with ubuntu after some talks on a channel about the term within the packages should get security upgrades. I wonder if debian sid can help me. I also use GPU drivers from padok ppa (in fact the ppa belongs to paulo-miguel-dias). I wonder if they are available on debian.
teraflops 2017-01-26 09:27:52
soupmagnet: so you host google? neat
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:28:06
just an example
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:28:06
soupmagnet: Did you have proxy installed and configured on this system?
teraflops 2017-01-26 09:28:11
^
odfhw5bv9s 2017-01-26 09:28:25
*padoka
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:28:48
I did install mono a while back for the purpose of using fiddler on linux
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:28:59
it didn't work so I removed it
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:29:32
how do I check for active proxies
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:31:15
set | grep -i proxy
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:31:47
yep
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:32:04
http proxied to 8888
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:33:03
cd; grep -i proxy .bashrc .profile .bash_profile
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:33:25
yeah, it was in .bashrc
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:33:30
What is fiddler?
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:33:43
Did you put it there?
mefistofeles 2017-01-26 09:34:08
so, I'm creating mirror repositories using aptly, where you have to add the keyring... I have the debian-archive-keyring.gpg in my /usr/share/keyrings, but what if I want to create an ubuntu repository in a debian host?
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:34:14
a windows program a collegue recommended
mefistofeles 2017-01-26 09:34:24
where do I find the ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg file? should I just download it?
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:34:25
I did not add the lines to the .bashrc
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:36:05
Either you did, you ran some script which di it or someone else did it
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:36:34
I'm sure it was a script
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:36:44
odfhw5bv9s: I'm not sure if debian supports ubuntu ppas, for sure if you add it to sources list it won't work
soupmagnet 2017-01-26 09:37:04
either way, I can curl now...thats all I care about. Thanks!
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:37:20
odfhw5bv9s: Especially if this is some kind of kernel module, for example
odfhw5bv9s 2017-01-26 09:37:45
Wizard: I know. I wonder if you have debian versions of packages.
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:38:27
http://packages.debian.org and check
mefistofeles 2017-01-26 09:38:36
ah, nvm, I just download the ubuntu-archive-keyring package, nice job debian!
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:39:57
On the other hand, odfhw5bv9s, you are concerned about security updates in Ubuntu yet you use packages compiled by some random Brazilian guy in the garage.
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:40:09
I find this lack of logic disturbing :P
ikonia 2017-01-26 09:40:27
2 days is too long to wait for a package
ikonia 2017-01-26 09:40:40
so may as well change distros and run wrong software on the wrong distro
Wizard 2017-01-26 09:42:21
OK, atom's buildscript doing something in the background, time to switch to serious hardware and watch some movie
odfhw5bv9s 2017-01-26 09:45:09
Wizard: every packae builder is explicitly trusted. But not every website is trusted. I mean that running an unpatched webbrowser is much worse than running builds from a guy whose builds are used by nearly everyone who uses mesa and drivers from git.