RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 07:45:17
How do i do thst
SynrG 2017-01-27 07:45:19
i don't know. you can try one thing at a time.
SynrG 2017-01-27 07:45:35
apt -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64
SynrG 2017-01-27 07:45:45
apt -t jessie-backports install nvidia-driver
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 07:45:50
Oh ok
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 07:45:58
Let me try
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 07:46:34
SynrG: pleae tell me how to add those three dvd too
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 07:48:27
i have them at /root/Desktop/ https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OxQfbtMu/irccloudcapture600286695.jpg
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 07:48:50
How do i add packages from them
somiaj 2017-01-27 07:51:45
RajRajRaj: mount the iso or directory with a loopback, and use apt-cdrom to scan for packages.
somiaj 2017-01-27 07:52:02
RajRajRaj: man apt-cdrom for more info
somiaj 2017-01-27 07:53:04
RajRajRaj: if you have a good network connection, you shoudln't need to install from the dvd images.
SynrG 2017-01-27 07:53:18
exactly my advice earlier. "most people install from the network"
SynrG 2017-01-27 07:53:29
and i had asked RajRajRaj if they had a good network and they said yes
tomcres 2017-01-27 07:53:56
also the DVD images are slightly out of date compared to the network. the network has updated packages.
`Kevin 2017-01-27 07:54:49
^
`Kevin 2017-01-27 07:55:17
RajRajRaj: if you just got apt network sources working why would you be using isos
dwarfmut 2017-01-27 07:55:19
guys, somebody use wanna-build ?
somiaj 2017-01-27 07:55:31
!somebody
dpkg 2017-01-27 07:55:32
somebody is probably a person , who has a body
somiaj 2017-01-27 07:55:34
!anybody
dpkg 2017-01-27 07:55:35
Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about instead.) See .
dwarfmut 2017-01-27 07:55:58
in local environment for build deb packages?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 07:57:55
`Kevin: because i assume it has all packages
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 07:58:10
somiaj: how do i mount in loopback
somiaj 2017-01-27 07:58:31
RajRajRaj: the internet has all the packages (and all the security and bug fixes with them)
SynrG 2017-01-27 07:58:45
RajRajRaj: your assumption is wrong. "it has all packages at the time the DVD image was made" <- doesn't have all packages that you need, if security vulnerabilities have been fixed
somiaj 2017-01-27 07:58:49
RajRajRaj: if you have a good network connection, it is not worth trying to set your system up to install from the dvd images.
SynrG 2017-01-27 07:59:01
exactly
SynrG 2017-01-27 07:59:16
RajRajRaj: it's not a productive use of our time to pursue this any further.
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 07:59:45
SynrG: i dont have internet connection all the time
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:00:01
Is why i want those packages from dvd
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:00:05
-_-
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:00:25
RajRajRaj: but do you really want to install a package with vulnerabilities? just wait until you get on the network again
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:00:43
RajRajRaj: how often are you so deeply offline for such an extended period of time that you can't wait?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:01:43
For 6 months i may not have good internet connection
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:01:52
Only 15kbps
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:01:56
ah. you didn't share this before when i asked :)
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:01:58
B
somiaj 2017-01-27 08:02:07
RajRajRaj: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/86660/how-can-the-debian-dvd-iso-file-be-used-to-install-software-without-a-cd-drive
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:02:09
Currently i had
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:02:16
Hence i consumed it
`Kevin 2017-01-27 08:02:49
15Kb !?
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:03:00
in the jungle, i guess?
somiaj 2017-01-27 08:03:16
thuogh the advise there may not be as easy to convert to your images, if you use apt-cdrom as I suggested it will add the required sources.list for you
DeaDSouL 2017-01-27 08:06:15
I have 128GB ram... I notice only 5~6GB is being used.. can I tell linux to use as much is it needs in exchange of getting some performance ? is there some kernel tweaks or parameters I can play with in order to achieve this?
somiaj 2017-01-27 08:06:32
!free memory
dpkg 2017-01-27 08:06:33
Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about .
somiaj 2017-01-27 08:07:02
DeaDSouL: it should be doing that already, it could just be you aren't doing enough disk i/o that you are starting to use up cache, but over time the cache will use as much ram as there is avialable.
`Kevin 2017-01-27 08:07:48
^
somiaj 2017-01-27 08:07:49
DeaDSouL: if you are wanting to load a lot of stuff into memory at boot to increase performance that is another issue, and this may depend on what you want to load into boot, or maybe just run a live system an drun your os from memory.
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:07:57
somiaj ty
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:08:01
`Kevin: ty
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:08:23
I am waiting for system to respond
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:08:29
Its hanged though
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:08:50
After this i must stoo this stupid over heating
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:08:52
RajRajRaj: what were you doing before that happened?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:08:56
Stop*
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:09:06
i mean, is it in the middle of installing stuff?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:09:13
Plugged in a hdd
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:09:29
USB hdd?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:09:35
Yes
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:09:48
Yes
DeaDSouL 2017-01-27 08:09:51
somiaj: sounds good idea to test... what can I load at boot? yet still can save things,updates ..etc on disk
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:10:00
In the middle of upgrade
somiaj 2017-01-27 08:10:46
DeaDSouL: I'm unsure on the details here, but this is a common thing windows does. During boot it will say load the webbrowser into memory, so when you open it, it pops up quickly (because it was already loaded in memory)
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:10:50
Is there a way like alt ctrl del key to get rid of this
n4dir 2017-01-27 08:10:58
You could give preload a try
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:11:00
RajRajRaj: in the middle of the upgrade you plugged in a USB hdd, and then it hung?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:11:12
Yes
n4dir 2017-01-27 08:11:13
DeaDSouL but i can't say much more about it.
somiaj 2017-01-27 08:11:14
DeaDSouL: I recall seeing an example of doing this with firefox back in the day on linux, but in genreal linux is not configured to load common apps into memory at boot.
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:11:20
RajRajRaj: generally it's not a good idea to reboot in the middle of an upgrade.
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:11:25
things could go very badly for you
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:11:32
I didnt reboot
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:11:45
what were you upgrading? the whole system or just a specific package?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:11:46
Its a usb hdd, like external harddisk
somiaj 2017-01-27 08:11:52
DeaDSouL: note this will increase boot/load time initial, but speed up launch time of apps you use regurally.
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:11:57
Apt upgrade
apt 2017-01-27 08:11:57
Upgrading is easy! Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn.
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:12:11
RajRajRaj: a lot of packages?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:12:28
Around 140 i guess
`Kevin 2017-01-27 08:12:45
^likely iso -> network package upgrades :|
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:12:46
RajRajRaj: how far did it get? was it still downloading, or did it start unpacking, installing and configuring?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:12:50
How do i get rid of this
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:12:56
RajRajRaj: don't be hasty
DeaDSouL 2017-01-27 08:12:57
n4dir: yeah, I tried it.. didn't really feel that much of difference
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:13:01
It was on 137
DeaDSouL 2017-01-27 08:13:03
somiaj: thanks :)
somiaj 2017-01-27 08:13:05
DeaDSouL: a live system is just a very extreme case of this, it loads the whole os into memeory.
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:13:11
RajRajRaj: 137 downloaded?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:13:17
Yes
n4dir 2017-01-27 08:13:18
neither for me, DeaDSouL , i only wanted to mention it
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:13:26
RajRajRaj: if it was only just downloading when it hung, it should be safe to reboot
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:13:43
RajRajRaj: is the reboot option of your window manager accessible, or is the system entirely locked up?
DeaDSouL 2017-01-27 08:13:51
somiaj: I'll try a live image.. just to see does it worth it
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:13:53
if it won't respond to keys or mouse, long-press the poewr.
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:13:55
Ok, but isnt there a hot key or something
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:13:57
poewr*
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:14:00
power*
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:14:17
Mouse is moving
`Kevin 2017-01-27 08:14:23
DeaDSouL: you likely wont notice much of a difference unless you notice a fair amount of disk i/o when doing things
`Kevin 2017-01-27 08:14:32
DeaDSouL: in which case things indeed are not yet in ram
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:14:34
Brightness key works
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:14:55
RajRajRaj: but xorg may have crashed
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:14:56
Its just that i cant do anything on screen
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:15:03
ctrl-alt-f1?
fearnothing 2017-01-27 08:15:13
hi, I'm trying to figure out where curl is getting its proxy setting from
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:15:23
Mouse gone
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:15:26
if that gets you to a text console, you can login as root and do an orderly shutdown
greycat 2017-01-27 08:15:32
Most likely the http_proxy environment variable, if anything.
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:15:34
After pressing alt Ctrl f1
n4dir 2017-01-27 08:15:37
isn't systemd putting the GUI on F1, SynrG? if so rather Alt2
n4dir 2017-01-27 08:15:41
ups F2
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:15:47
don't know
somiaj 2017-01-27 08:15:53
DeaDSouL: one thing is live system may not load everything into memeory at boot, but there may be a way to force it if you hvae enough memeory -- But unsure on the details...
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:15:58
RajRajRaj: try ctrl-alt-f2 as n4dir suggests
fearnothing 2017-01-27 08:15:58
I set proxies on all my boxes a while back including the host running squid - just now realised that curl through squid on localhost isn't working, and need to remove the proxy setting
n4dir 2017-01-27 08:16:05
me neither. trying a few of F1 F2 F3 etc won't hurt
fearnothing 2017-01-27 08:16:12
it's not in .bashrc or /etc/profile.d
fearnothing 2017-01-27 08:16:18
any other ideas?
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:16:19
for me, Xorg is still on f7 as per tradition
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:16:23
Ok
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:16:37
Black screen
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:16:45
I must force shutdown
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:16:48
RajRajRaj: if you can get to a console login prompt, you can login to a text console. try ctrl-alt-f2
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:16:52
or f3
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:16:53
etc
greycat 2017-01-27 08:16:55
Check whether it's set in your environment, not where you think your environment might come from.
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:17:03
I did force shutdown
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:17:08
fair enough
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:17:15
might want to leave it off for a while to cool
greycat 2017-01-27 08:17:19
If it's not an environment variable, then read "man curl" and see where else it can be specified, or ask #curl.
DeaDSouL 2017-01-27 08:17:25
I see... have you ever read anything that explains the basics of how to do it? may be a known url or something?
habs 2017-01-27 08:17:26
hi, I'm trying to dist-upgrade from jessie to stretch on my Thinkpad x200 with full-disk encryption, but when I do "sudo dpkg --configure -a" I get this error "dpkg: error: error installing new file '/var/lib/dpkg/status': No space left on device" However I do have space left because this is the output of my "df -h": http://sprunge.us/BfWi What can I do to debug / fix this?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:17:39
I want to stop this over heating
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:17:41
-_-
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:17:46
I restarted
fearnothing 2017-01-27 08:17:46
greycat - it is set in environment variables
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:17:54
This is really bad
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:18:04
RajRajRaj: so you haven't gotten yet to installing the new kernel & nvidia driver from jessie-backports?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:18:13
No
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:18:20
Its lagging badly
laurus 2017-01-27 08:18:42
Will Wayland be supported on Debian Stretch?
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:18:48
RajRajRaj: it's probably not using the right driver because jessie doesn't have support for your GPU
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:19:11
RajRajRaj: so it may be falling back to something much slower
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:19:21
Hmmm
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:19:45
laurus: "bits of wayland" are in stretch. i haven't heard that it will be complete in stretch though, no.
somiaj 2017-01-27 08:19:47
laurus: in parts, it still isn't fully ready, but is there as a techonology preview and I think gnome can use it in case.
zykotick9 2017-01-27 08:19:49
habs: do you also have a /boot partition not in that paste? also verifiy "df -i" isn't full.
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:20:16
laurus: but upstream's implementation of wayland isn't finished, is what i understand, so this isn't debian's fault :p
laurus 2017-01-27 08:20:17
Oh OK. Got it! Well, I'll ask the same question in another 2-3 years I suppose ;)
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:20:18
Let it upgrade
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:20:26
laurus: unless you like pain, probably steer clear :)
laurus 2017-01-27 08:20:35
Thanks for the information.
laurus 2017-01-27 08:20:42
By the way, hi somiaj, didn't expect to see you here :)
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:21:17
RajRajRaj: if it's Xorg that's crashing you might consider shutting that down and just logging into a text console instead if you can
SynrG 2017-01-27 08:21:22
could keep things more stable for the upgrade
habs 2017-01-27 08:21:48
zykotick9: That paste was the full output of my 'df -i'. I have libreboot installed so the entire disk is encrypted including /boot. My 'df -i' isn't close to full yet either: http://sprunge.us/VQhQ Do you have any ideas as to what this could be?
zykotick9 2017-01-27 08:23:43
habs: hehe, i run libreboot as well :) sorry, i've got no suggestions. best of luck.
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:23:57
SynrG: its doing the upgrade
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:24:03
Its ok :)
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:24:14
Not touching it
fearnothing 2017-01-27 08:25:51
how can I find where the environment variable is being set?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:27:12
I would want to take the backup afyer this process
tp43_ 2017-01-27 08:28:40
Hi, I prefer to use chromium over FF esr, its much faster. But I have a problem with both. Chromium crashes and I have to restart my whole system. FF loses internet connection and I have restart my router. Restarting router is definitely less annoying than restarting debian, but I wonder, what happens when I restart that refreshes chromium that if instead I can perform that action without restarting, then I am golden.
n4dir 2017-01-27 08:28:55
fearnothing: you did look in ~/.profile too? i would probably grep for it in the users home and in etc
greycat 2017-01-27 08:31:16
A browser crashing on machine A should not force you to restart router machine B. That makes no sense at all.
jelly 2017-01-27 08:31:25
fearnothing: which particular env.var.? Did you look at /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale ?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:32:48
-t option is not known
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:33:09
White apt -t ...
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:33:54
SynrG:
jelly 2017-01-27 08:34:45
do avoid highlighting people without telling them anything in the same line, RajRajRaj
ompaul 2017-01-27 08:34:54
RajRajRaj: why are you mixing wheezy and jessie sources?
TomTomTosch 2017-01-27 08:35:10
show us the whole command!
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:35:31
https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CXWv5mIy/irccloudcapture74358084.jpg
tp43_ 2017-01-27 08:35:40
greycat, I know I know, and yet that coincidence has happenned
CrazyTux 2017-01-27 08:35:49
how can we get Debian stable work on new laptops with latest hardware resources?
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:36:13
The command 00:15:35 apt -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:36:26
ompaul: coz my laptop is heating
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:36:40
I want it to stop heating up unnecessarily
tp43_ 2017-01-27 08:36:46
greycat, the browser goes through the router. FF protects system but the router suffers, Chromium accepts it through browser and crashes system. Maybe, maybe?
greycat 2017-01-27 08:36:52
CrazyTux: you can try it. You can try it with a backported kernel.
TomTomTosch 2017-01-27 08:37:08
RajRajRaj: i don't want to see what SýnrG wrote, i want to see exactly what you typed into the command line.
CrazyTux 2017-01-27 08:37:08
ok
tp43_ 2017-01-27 08:37:10
greycat, primewire you know
somiaj 2017-01-27 08:37:16
CrazyTux: debian provides newer kernel and firmware (and some xorg drivers) for newer hardware. But without more info on the hardware might be hard to say if it works.
ompaul 2017-01-27 08:37:19
RajRajRaj: so you choose the latest - you add in firmware and and you restart
ompaul 2017-01-27 08:37:36
RajRajRaj: generally that is useful but I see platic coating in front of screen
ompaul 2017-01-27 08:37:38
why?
somiaj 2017-01-27 08:37:47
CrazyTux: there are some cavets, and one is you have to be able to install on the 3.16 kernel, and then upgrade to the newer kernel, so if the hardware cannot run/boot on 3.16 it becomes a far more difficult problem.
ompaul 2017-01-27 08:37:53
that is not good for it
CrazyTux 2017-01-27 08:38:02
ok. I have an Asus laptop. X540L model.
tp43_ 2017-01-27 08:38:16
there is a new window system coming soon, forget what it is called, but I read something when I was reading about opengl, the windowing system used with it.
greycat 2017-01-27 08:38:22
wayland?
somiaj 2017-01-27 08:38:30
CrazyTux: usually th einstall is okay, it is video and network drivers that tend to need the newer kernel/firmware
CrazyTux 2017-01-27 08:38:36
It has 4 gbs of RAM and runs on i3 2.0 Ghz cpu.
tp43_ 2017-01-27 08:38:37
greycat, sounds right, I think
greycat 2017-01-27 08:38:57
CrazyTux: video and wifi/ethernet chipsets are usually the tricky parts
CrazyTux 2017-01-27 08:39:08
ok
CrazyTux 2017-01-27 08:39:53
I have installed Debian stable on my old 32 bit laptop. I really liked the stability of Debian.
fearnothing 2017-01-27 08:40:10
n4dir, jelly: already checked ~/.profile, and it's not in /etc/environment or /etc/default/locale
tp43_ 2017-01-27 08:40:13
greycat, mesa
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:40:35
https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Bqv7ksDp/irccloudcapture-18474449.jpg
greycat 2017-01-27 08:40:35
!mesa
dpkg 2017-01-27 08:40:35
Mesa 3D is an open source implementation of the API. http://mesa3d.org/ #dri-devel on irc.freenode.net. See also .
jelly 2017-01-27 08:40:47
fearnothing: which particular env.var.?
fearnothing 2017-01-27 08:40:54
oh sorry, thought I already said
fearnothing 2017-01-27 08:40:59
http_proxy, and https_proxy
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:41:00
TomTomTosch: is this ok?
n4dir 2017-01-27 08:41:17
fearnothing: well, try grep. I don't fool much with environment variables
TomTomTosch 2017-01-27 08:41:48
RajRajRaj: no, you again faild copying. please check what you do.
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:42:32
O.O
greycat 2017-01-27 08:42:43
fearnothing: so the question now is "where did this https_proxy variable come from, which I can see in my interactive ___ shell in a ___ terminal" ... well, there are a shitload of dot files that get read by the full suite of login/shell/display manager/desktop environment/... software.
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:43:11
Gosh
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:43:25
Sorry, but hey it should give proper error mesage
greycat 2017-01-27 08:43:33
Debian's version of bash *alone* reads /etc/profile /etc/bash.bashrc ~/.bash_profile ~/.bash_login ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc and that's just the BUILT IN files, not counting anything that those files choose to dot in.
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:43:53
What kinda messge is -t not known when there is problem with some other words
fearnothing 2017-01-27 08:44:26
aha, found it greycat :) thank you
fearnothing 2017-01-27 08:44:34
./etc/bash.bashrc
n4dir 2017-01-27 08:44:45
ta-da
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:44:52
Anyway
RajRajRaj 2017-01-27 08:45:04
TomTomTosch: thanks a lot :)
greycat 2017-01-27 08:45:08
Wnoever put that in your /etc/bash.bashrc is a horrible sys admin and you should make sure they do not get the new root password after you change it and lock them out of sudoers.
