graps 2017-01-24 10:46:16
jelly: Still getting an error: http://paste.debian.net/910409
jelly 2017-01-24 10:47:35
graps: hmph, that package is a bit crap
graps 2017-01-24 10:47:58
jelly: Yeah, I'll say so too. Want me to try "dpkg -P tin" ?
jelly 2017-01-24 10:48:05
sure
graps 2017-01-24 10:48:10
jelly: Okay
jelly 2017-01-24 10:48:39
maybe slrn will install :-)
graps 2017-01-24 10:49:22
jelly: I think it's off the server: http://paste.debian.net/910410
jelly 2017-01-24 10:49:39
yes
jelly 2017-01-24 10:49:52
go install "dialog" to get rid of that other message
graps 2017-01-24 10:50:20
jelly: I can try installing dma or msmtp-mta or nullmailer to see
jelly 2017-01-24 10:50:54
those are laternatives to postfix, not news readers
graps 2017-01-24 10:51:15
jelly: I just saw your "go install "dialog" message
graps 2017-01-24 10:51:47
jelly: What is the "install "dialog"..." command ?
jelly 2017-01-24 10:52:10
apt-get install dialog
jelly 2017-01-24 10:53:01
you're missing on some excellent ansi art colored menus while installing packages, otherwise
graps 2017-01-24 10:53:27
jelly: Thanks for your help ! Here's the install for dialog: http://paste.debian.net/910413
jelly 2017-01-24 10:53:48
(try to "dpkg-reconfigure postfix" to see the difference)
jelly 2017-01-24 10:54:14
(and just choose cancel there, key to move, to select)
jelly 2017-01-24 10:54:20
or was it space to select
graps 2017-01-24 10:54:30
jelly: I'll check it out
Mr_Kluster 2017-01-24 10:56:26
hi
graps 2017-01-24 10:56:35
jelly: That version looks neat, sorta like in MS-DOS days, and installing disks
jelly 2017-01-24 10:57:18
yes
jelly 2017-01-24 10:57:26
this is what debian is alll about
jelly 2017-01-24 10:57:42
Dialog blue/gray screens.
graps 2017-01-24 10:58:34
jelly: Hmm...I was given a few choices to set up a cloud server, like Ubuntu, CentOS, Red Hat, and Debian. I chose Debian because it was the smallest initial footprint
graps 2017-01-24 11:04:14
jelly: Does Debian have a package for elm ? I didn't find it in apt-get
jelly 2017-01-24 11:05:00
elm is dead, I think
graps 2017-01-24 11:05:12
jelly: Ah, another dinosaur program :)
tw 2017-01-24 11:05:16
long live pine
jelly 2017-01-24 11:05:24
there's mutt, alpine and I dunno
graps 2017-01-24 11:05:31
tw: Is that still available ? It's older than elm
jelly 2017-01-24 11:05:40
alpine fork still lives
tw 2017-01-24 11:05:43
maybe not in the repo, alpine fork.
jelly 2017-01-24 11:05:46
it does news too
jelly 2017-01-24 11:05:52
and imap and stuff
tw 2017-01-24 11:05:54
I use mutt, tbh.
jelly 2017-01-24 11:06:17
,whatprovides mail-reader
judd 2017-01-24 11:06:18
Package mail-reader in jessie/amd64 is provided by: balsa, bsd-mailx, claws-mail, cone, edbrowse, emacs24, emacs24-lucid, emacs24-nox, evolution, heirloom-mailx, icedove, im, jed, kmail, mailutils, mailutils-mh, mew, mew-beta, mew-beta-bin, mew-bin, mutt, nmh, sup-mail, sylpheed, tkrat, vm, wl, wl-beta, xemacs21-mule, xemacs21-mule-canna-wnn, xemacs21-nomule, xjed.
jelly 2017-01-24 11:06:35
so yeah
jelly 2017-01-24 11:06:59
,whatprovides news-reader
judd 2017-01-24 11:07:00
Package news-reader in jessie/amd64 is provided by: claws-mail, emacs24, emacs24-lucid, emacs24-nox, im, knews, knode, lusernet.app, lynx-cur, mew, mew-beta, nn, slrn, sylpheed, tin, trn4, wl, wl-beta, xemacs21-mule, xemacs21-mule-canna-wnn, xemacs21-nomule.
graps 2017-01-24 11:07:19
I'll install alpine
jelly 2017-01-24 11:07:27
emacs for everything clearly
tw 2017-01-24 11:07:37
interesting that alpine isn't on that list, but it's definitely in jessie/amd64.
jelly 2017-01-24 11:08:03
tw: that checks the Provides: package header
tw 2017-01-24 11:08:20
Ah. so the package doesn't declare mail-reader.
graps 2017-01-24 11:09:12
I've set up lynx, so there's a text-based web browser that works
jelly 2017-01-24 11:09:51
elinks/links2/w3m deal _slightly_ better with tables and div and such modern html features
jelly 2017-01-24 11:10:31
w3m has weirder keybindings tho
jelly 2017-01-24 11:10:56
but all of those have gpm (= mouse in terminal) support
tw 2017-01-24 11:10:58
w3m was easiest to get it to force interpret an input pipe as html, which is convenient when calling from mutt.
ryouma 2017-01-24 11:11:24
emacs has emacs-w3m and eww and w3 for web browsers
jelly 2017-01-24 11:11:36
tw: eh? doesn't mutt get html auto_view by default when you install any of those
tw 2017-01-24 11:12:22
I had to manually configure an html viewer the last time I set it up, but my mail client is still on squeeze, so it's probably better by now.
tw 2017-01-24 11:19:04
now that I think about it, squeeze has been EOL for almost a year, hasn't it. I should probably fix that.
tw 2017-01-24 11:20:30
ah, nm, it's wheezy; I should still fix that.
jelly 2017-01-24 11:22:26
!squeeze
dpkg 2017-01-24 11:22:26
Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06 and is the oldoldstable release: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Security support for Squeeze ended on 2014-05-31, but ask me about . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze ; ask me about squeeze>. Currently <6.0.10>. Not to be confused with the archive manager.
jelly 2017-01-24 11:22:33
!squeeze-lts
dpkg 2017-01-24 11:22:33
Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main».
tw 2017-01-24 11:23:03
!wheezy-lts
dpkg 2017-01-24 11:23:03
Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts.
jelly 2017-01-24 11:25:34
soo... you got until 2018 to upgrade to jessie ehhhhh
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:31:14
Hey guys, I'm trying to copy an APT repo over
tw 2017-01-24 11:31:17
I'll probably end up skipping 8 and going to 9 then. That's not too far out.
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:31:26
problem is it seems to use a lot of symlinks and I'm getting rsync errors
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:31:45
does anyone know how to use like apt-mirror to download the entire rpo?
jelly 2017-01-24 11:32:52
cluelessperson: do you have shell access to both source and destination?
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:32:57
jelly, yes.
jelly 2017-01-24 11:33:10
rsync should be able to deal with symlinks then
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:33:23
jelly, I'm doing this
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:33:24
rsync -rLptgo build:/var/www/apt/* ./
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:33:46
which is similar to -a just with L and no D
jelly 2017-01-24 11:34:47
cluelessperson: why -L ?
jelly 2017-01-24 11:35:02
is your destination incapable of symlinks?
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:35:05
jelly, -L follows symlinks. -l only makes the symlinks
jelly 2017-01-24 11:35:18
yes, why are you doing that?
talus46 2017-01-24 11:35:31
greetings
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:35:32
jelly, my source uses symlinks. my destination cannot
jelly 2017-01-24 11:35:49
then you have a problem
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:35:54
jelly, and because the symlink destinations won't exist on the destination
jelly 2017-01-24 11:36:02
can you get a symlnk capable fs
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:36:13
jelly, the destination is symlink capable
jelly 2017-01-24 11:36:32
cluelessperson: in a sane apt repo, symlinks are all relative
tw 2017-01-24 11:36:35
it should work then if the symlinks are relative and not absolute.
jelly 2017-01-24 11:36:38
are yours not?
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:36:56
jelly, it seems there's an initial layer of symlinks to another apt directory
jelly 2017-01-24 11:37:11
clone the whole thing? :-)
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:37:18
/var/www/apt/links => /var/apt/stuff
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:37:27
jelly, I'm trying to
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:37:43
I'm trying to copy the apt server so I can down the server to virtualize it
jelly 2017-01-24 11:37:46
cluelessperson: avoid that * usage, and copy the actual paths
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:37:58
jelly, copy the actual paths?
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:38:01
what do you mean by that
jelly 2017-01-24 11:38:11
/var/apt/stuff itself in this case
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:38:50
rsync: readlink "/var/www/apt/company-etch/dists/company-lenny-03.91-maint/company-lenny-20150225" failed: Too many levels of symbolic links (40)
jelly 2017-01-24 11:39:20
that's with -L right?
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:39:25
jelly, yes
jelly 2017-01-24 11:39:33
well don't do that then :-)
jelly 2017-01-24 11:39:52
copy everything, fix the broken links later
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:40:00
so I'll try again from within the /var/apt rather than /var/www/apt that uses absolute paths to the other
jelly 2017-01-24 11:40:11
(if you can't map the source paths 1:1 precisely)
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:40:11
so /var/apt will only contain relative
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:40:13
hm
jelly 2017-01-24 11:40:23
iotw, use -a
tw 2017-01-24 11:40:25
let the links dangle.
tw 2017-01-24 11:40:29
then find and fix.
jelly 2017-01-24 11:40:33
^^
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:40:46
tw, jelly I don't know how many many links that'd be
cluelessperson 2017-01-24 11:40:54
it could me thousands
jelly 2017-01-24 11:41:02
cluelessperson: it's trivial to find symlinks with find
jelly 2017-01-24 11:42:58
so you can count them right now and see if that's a feasible strategy
tw 2017-01-24 11:43:02
and if you focus on the shortest path ones first, many of the longer ones will fix themselves, especially if you put it in the same spot on the FS.
tw 2017-01-24 11:43:16
Which I highly recommend, given your predicament.
jelly 2017-01-24 11:45:00
but honestly if you're doing P2V I'm not sure why you're not just rsyncing the whole machine, all of its filesystems, once while it's still online, then down it, rsync again, and migrate the IP addresses and fix boot loader and fstab and boot the new one
