jelly 2017-01-24 09:45:21
graps: very interesting. Pastebin output of: for i in hosts hostname resolv.conf nsswitch.conf; do i=/etc/$i; echo "== $i =="; cat "$i"; done
jelly 2017-01-24 09:46:07
looks like the system may not have its own hostname set correctly
graps 2017-01-24 09:46:25
jelly: How do you type in a for statement on the cmd-line ?
jelly 2017-01-24 09:46:33
verbatim
jelly 2017-01-24 09:47:01
that command ought to work in bash or sh
jelly 2017-01-24 09:47:39
or pastebin the contents of /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf manually (preferably in a single paste entry)
graps 2017-01-24 09:47:51
jelly: I'm getting a bash syntax error: -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `nsswitch.conf'
jelly 2017-01-24 09:48:14
graps: it's all in one line
graps 2017-01-24 09:48:24
jelly: Okay, I'll try again
jelly 2017-01-24 09:48:26
for i in hosts hostname resolv.conf nsswitch.conf; do i=/etc/$i; echo "== $i =="; cat "$i"; done
graps 2017-01-24 09:49:44
jelly: http://paste.debian.net/910393
jelly 2017-01-24 09:50:37
graps: okay, so does this system have a fixed static ip address? You'll want to add it to /etc/hosts
jelly 2017-01-24 09:50:39
!hostname
dpkg 2017-01-24 09:50:39
Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about . http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname
jelly 2017-01-24 09:53:41
it might also be a good idea to have a full hostname different than the whole domain. Not sure boot scripts will detect the domain is supposed to be exactly the same as the hostname
graps 2017-01-24 09:54:07
jelly: Should I change the current hostname to a numeric IP ?
jelly 2017-01-24 09:54:18
hell no, that's even worse
graps 2017-01-24 09:54:28
jelly: Yep, heh heh
jelly 2017-01-24 09:54:31
I was thinking more like machine.grapster.us
graps 2017-01-24 09:55:02
jelly: Can I make it myself ? Through the server cmd-line ?
jelly 2017-01-24 09:55:49
graps: um, yes, just use a terminal-based editor?
jelly 2017-01-24 09:55:54
like nano
graps 2017-01-24 09:56:02
jelly: vim okay ?
jelly 2017-01-24 09:56:06
yes
jelly 2017-01-24 09:56:29
it's better if the full name matches an existing A or AAAA dns record
jelly 2017-01-24 09:56:34
but it doesn't have ot
graps 2017-01-24 09:57:53
jelly: Do you mean like www.example.com versus example.com ?
jelly 2017-01-24 09:58:15
yes
graps 2017-01-24 09:59:02
jelly: I was thinking that other news readers are better suited to my current host, like canto or liferea
jelly 2017-01-24 09:59:44
you still want to fix the hostname issue
graps 2017-01-24 10:00:02
jelly: Okay, I'll do that
jelly 2017-01-24 10:00:53
graps: or you can create /etc/news/server manually so the package installer script will skip the broken code using hostname -d
graps 2017-01-24 10:01:20
jelly: Just do a: touch /etc/news/server ?
jelly 2017-01-24 10:01:54
graps: or put in the actual nntp server you plan to use
graps 2017-01-24 10:02:17
jelly: Where can I find current nntp servers ?
jelly 2017-01-24 10:02:19
then see if "dpkg --configure -a" completes
jelly 2017-01-24 10:02:28
graps: free ones?
graps 2017-01-24 10:02:41
jelly: Free ones please
jelly 2017-01-24 10:02:56
no idea, I use my ISP's
jelly 2017-01-24 10:03:08
google for free nntp server, I guess
graps 2017-01-24 10:03:12
jelly: Okay
jelly 2017-01-24 10:04:09
most require registration probably
graps 2017-01-24 10:04:31
jelly: Are most US servers better than international ones ?
jelly 2017-01-24 10:04:52
I have no clue
graps 2017-01-24 10:05:07
I'll try news.easynews.com
jelly 2017-01-24 10:05:33
I thought you already had a news server in mind, seeing as you wanted to access usenet which is honestly a bit unusual these days
jelly 2017-01-24 10:05:47
not unlike accessing irc, I guess
graps 2017-01-24 10:06:01
jelly: It is a throwback to my university shell account days
n1b 2017-01-24 10:06:30
Do you need to have python installed for Debian to work?
greycat 2017-01-24 10:06:53
yes
greycat 2017-01-24 10:07:04
There are core Debian things that use sh, perl and python, so you need those.
graps 2017-01-24 10:08:05
jelly: Darn it, news.easynews.com requests authentication and authorization :) I'll have to be formal
sonOfRa 2017-01-24 10:08:54
Does debian (stable, or jessie) support bcrypt (2a/2y) in crypt(3)?
graps 2017-01-24 10:09:02
jelly: How much is a cheap usenet news provider to you ?
jelly 2017-01-24 10:09:49
graps: no idea. I work for an isp and manage their news server
graps 2017-01-24 10:10:03
jelly: Free is good ;)
graps 2017-01-24 10:11:00
jelly: Do your paying customers use usenet on a regular basis ?
jelly 2017-01-24 10:11:02
last time I looked, about a decade ago https://news.individual.net/ was free. Now it's 10€/yr
jelly 2017-01-24 10:11:30
graps: pretty much only old schools and a very very very small percentage of the total
LordDeath 2017-01-24 10:11:43
in stretch running 'apt install tt-rss gitlab' would install both apache2 and nginx as dependency. this will end bad, right?
graps 2017-01-24 10:12:41
jelly: Well, that's kind of reassuring. I used to subscribe to usenet in my university server to access alt.tasteless.jokes and a few others. Now liferea and reddit/slashdot are my current staples
graps 2017-01-24 10:14:07
jelly: I should get on with setting up sendmail and/or some mail server, for experience
graps 2017-01-24 10:17:48
Do people pay for a shell account that is properly managed ?
graps 2017-01-24 10:19:59
TROLL ALERT: I will create a shell account for you if you have something to offer me :)
jelly 2017-01-24 10:20:36
in that case, the help you got so far will be $95/hr :-)
graps 2017-01-24 10:20:56
jelly: Ha ha ! Thanks
jelly 2017-01-24 10:21:16
(also, giving shell access to people you don't trust, is, amazingly, still not a good idea)
graps 2017-01-24 10:21:46
jelly: True, but sometimes I like to court wild and crazy guys
jelly 2017-01-24 10:22:29
these days there are multiple genders on the internet, too
graps 2017-01-24 10:22:45
jelly: If sex still sells, I'm wondering why people don't just use the free sites
jelly 2017-01-24 10:23:46
pornhub's yearly statistics says they do
graps 2017-01-24 10:23:58
jelly: Yes
graps 2017-01-24 10:26:03
jelly: Did you go to the CES in Vegas this year ?
jelly 2017-01-24 10:26:57
never been to any of the americas yet
graps 2017-01-24 10:27:38
jelly: I used to go, for a number of years. There was always the porn convention that took place at the same time. I think that also was the case for Comdex
jelly 2017-01-24 10:28:21
let me extend an invite to #debian-offtopic and leave this channel('s logs) for tech support
graps 2017-01-24 10:28:36
jelly: Whoops, heh
graps 2017-01-24 10:30:57
jelly: Here's my error messages for sendmail. I keep getting the tin error during my install session: http://paste.debian.net/910404
jelly 2017-01-24 10:31:31
oh dear, you don't want sendmail itself
graps 2017-01-24 10:31:48
jelly: It's outdated ?
jelly 2017-01-24 10:32:01
get postfix or exim4-daemon-light if you plan to actually send and receive mail
graps 2017-01-24 10:32:22
jelly: Okay
jelly 2017-01-24 10:33:15
and if you just need notifications sent out (to your gmail or similar), something small like "dma" or "msmtp-mta" or "nullmailer"
jelly 2017-01-24 10:33:42
dma is nice because both small, but can still do local delivery to /var/mail/user
graps 2017-01-24 10:34:32
jelly: In postfix, which mail configuration is best for light mailing jobs, I have about five choices
graps 2017-01-24 10:35:18
jelly: By light, I infer about 200 e-mails per day or so
jelly 2017-01-24 10:35:24
graps: set up just local delivery for now, you can change things later
graps 2017-01-24 10:35:45
jelly: Thanks
graps 2017-01-24 10:38:30
jelly: It looks like postfix completed successfully. How do I disable or get rid of tin ? It's still showing up in output
nO0b 2017-01-24 10:38:52
bluetoothd produces high load ( 100% ) when remote device ( kbd ) disconnects.t see output of '# /usr/lib bluetoothd -n -d' : http://paste.debian.net/910405
jelly 2017-01-24 10:42:01
graps: huh, so adding /etc/news/server and rerunning "dpkg --configure -a" didn't fix its installation?
jelly 2017-01-24 10:42:37
you can try purging the package if it lets you, dpkg -P tin
graps 2017-01-24 10:42:39
jelly: I'll add that file, and check it with another "sudo apt-get install tin"
graps 2017-01-24 10:42:57
jelly: Or, do the "dpkg -P tin" instead
jelly 2017-01-24 10:43:58
if the installation is half finished, you don't need to try installing anew, just do "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install" to make the package manager try and finish the pending attempt
graps 2017-01-24 10:44:24
jelly: Okay. Trying the dpkg --configure thing
