contrapunctus 2017-01-26 03:45:17
themill: dpigs is the bees knees :D
themill 2017-01-26 03:55:15
contrapunctus: :)
Jack_ 2017-01-26 03:57:30
hi..
GPenguin 2017-01-26 03:58:28
hello
Jack_ 2017-01-26 03:59:06
when will be Debian Stretch released?
GPenguin 2017-01-26 03:59:16
maybe mid of the year
somiaj 2017-01-26 03:59:40
!stretch pool 1
dpkg 2017-01-26 03:59:40
! cruncher=2017-04-12 cruncher=2017-02-18 bæbīlen=2017-05-06 TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themíll=2017-05-01
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:00:17
Jack_: Feb 5th is the final freeze, after that 6 months give or take a few months. The debian team was more agressive with removing packages, getting rc bugs fixed for jessie, I assume they are going to do the same for stretch.
GPenguin 2017-01-26 04:00:22
why is cruncher 2x in the list?
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:00:30
ok. Is Stretch going to be a stable release?
GPenguin 2017-01-26 04:00:41
yes
petn-randall 2017-01-26 04:00:43
GPenguin: They paid twice into the pool, I guess ;)
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:00:49
ok
GPenguin 2017-01-26 04:00:54
petn-randall: haha
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:00:59
Jack_: you can also follow https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:01:10
ok.
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:01:29
cruncher updated his bet the a week or two ago, since his original one was before they pushed the freeze dates to get the lts kernel in stretch.
GPenguin 2017-01-26 04:02:29
i remember that, the 4.9.x kernel
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:03:32
they updated before the 4.9 kernel was annouced to be the lts, but it ended up working well, the 4.9 kernel transition into stretch, so now it is mostly just waiting for the rc bugs to be dealt with along with double checking cerain release goals
GPenguin 2017-01-26 04:04:14
somiaj: ah, thats interesting, thank you
Aimmy 2017-01-26 04:04:18
Hi. Is there any program in synaptic that can open .rar file?
GPenguin 2017-01-26 04:04:44
Aimmy: unrar can do it
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:04:46
Why doesn't Debian try to present itself as a distro that works out of the box and is beginner friendly?
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:05:12
I mean, Debian being stable is more suitable for beginners.
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:05:12
there is also an unrar-unfree that I think can deal with a wider varitey of .rar files
Aimmy 2017-01-26 04:05:24
GPenguin: Sweet. Thanks.
GPenguin 2017-01-26 04:05:39
:)
jelly 2017-01-26 04:06:00
Jack_: debian's goals make it not work out of the box on a lot of modern hardware
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:06:20
Jack_: that is part of what it does present itself as, releasing frozen stable systems that are well tested. Though there are a few hurdels beginners have to deal with. One is newer hardware may not be supported with the stable kernel, and non-free firmawre is something many have to deal with they don't have to deal with elsewhere due to the DSFG
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:06:51
ok.
jelly 2017-01-26 04:07:03
also, someone has to do the work
GPenguin 2017-01-26 04:08:49
on the one side is popularity in a small user segment where other distros pickup people already. on the other side is debian as universal operating system which it definetly is
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:09:36
ok
jhutchins_wk 2017-01-26 04:14:27
I think it's more important for Debian to be powerful and flexible than least-common-denominator friendly.
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:15:07
ok
n4dir 2017-01-26 04:15:09
d
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:16:15
is ubuntu based on debian testing or unstable?
tomcres 2017-01-26 04:16:54
Jack_: they take the packages from sid (!)
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:17:22
Jack_: ubuntu isn't based on debian anymore, ubuntu has its own core which it does its own thing with (very different from debian) that happens to use packages from sid for its universe
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:17:36
so ubuntu makes sid packages available but core is its own thing that is quite different than debian.
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:18:25
ok.
sine0 2017-01-26 04:18:48
what can I use to search all text files for a word
tomcres 2017-01-26 04:18:55
sine0: grep
tomcres 2017-01-26 04:19:04
grep expression file
sine0 2017-01-26 04:19:16
could you please show me the syntax
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:19:24
tomcres: just did
tomcres 2017-01-26 04:19:36
yeah, if you want to search all text files for "foo", you type grep foo *.txt
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:19:48
can I install Debian unofficial release completely offline?
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:20:12
or do I need to be connected to the internet during installation?
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:20:19
Jack_: I don't think full cd's of packages for the installer are made until after the release.
petn-randall 2017-01-26 04:20:22
Jack_: What is the unofficial release_
petn-randall 2017-01-26 04:20:23
?
jelly 2017-01-26 04:20:51
Jack_: if you're talking about firmware images, same thing as official images. You can install the base system completely offline.
zykotick9 2017-01-26 04:20:52
sine0: there is a -r and -R option in rsync, you might want to check out "man rsync" for details
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:20:53
I took it to mean the develoment versions, testing or unstable.
sine0 2017-01-26 04:20:55
im trying to get it to do it recursivly from the directory I am at
n4dir 2017-01-26 04:21:19
recursivly often is -r
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:21:20
sine0: man grep, it will tell you lots of useful info like the -r flag is recursive
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:22:07
jelly, exactly. I was referring to that.
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:22:29
firmware images
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:22:56
I thought only the netinstall had firmware images made, so you can install offline with it, but you won't have to many packages
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:23:04
though there are live images with firmware
ksk 2017-01-26 04:23:07
HEy guys, I have a somewhat exotic question; If two useradd commands to run at the same time - will that brake things? I would suspect that to be the case.
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:23:09
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
the_sniff 2017-01-26 04:23:33
using backuppc i always get this error "Parent read EOF from child: fatal error!" (not for the same file), can't figure out what it is after a long time googling. Should I just try a different backup software? Tried rsnapshot, had some weird bug with no way to fix it too
n4dir 2017-01-26 04:23:35
i got a question too, ksk why would one want to do that at all?
ksk 2017-01-26 04:24:05
n4dir: you probably dont want to, but what if you had two admins that add a user at the same time? (or some automatism)
petn-randall 2017-01-26 04:28:17
ksk: There is probably no locking in place, correct. If in doubt, automate it and see if you can break useradd by running at the same time.
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:28:56
how is Debian different from Arch and Fedora?
abrotman 2017-01-26 04:29:46
Jack_: in many ways .. What specifically are you asking about?
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:30:44
ease of use, security, number of packages available etc.
teraflops 2017-01-26 04:32:04
ksk: at the very same time? use parallel or something like that and see if it fails
petn-randall 2017-01-26 04:32:43
Jack_: Debian has a huge (> 40,000) armount of packages, and supports upgrading from one release to the next. It has a rather strict "only security bugfixes" policy on the stable release.
petn-randall 2017-01-26 04:32:58
Jack_: Other distros probably shine due to ease of use, or commercial support, etc.
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:33:07
ok
ksk 2017-01-26 04:34:15
petn-randall: teraflops thanks
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:34:25
Jack_: community is something that shoudln't get overlooked too, .rpm has a big community both on the fedora side and on the enterprise size with RHEL and CENTOS, the community and what sort of work they do to better their distro of choice is a large factor too (outside of policy)
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:34:44
Jack_: what makes debian differnt than lots of its derivatives is its policy and quality control.
somiaj 2017-01-26 04:34:56
(not that other's don't have policy or quality control, it is just different than debians)
petn-randall 2017-01-26 04:34:58
Jack_: Debian also puts a lot of emphasis on keeping free software separate from non-free software, which is why some wifi devices don't work with the default installer. Ubuntu for example doesn't care that much, but that also allows end users to install with less problems.
Jack_ 2017-01-26 04:35:16
ok
