crash_ 2017-02-22 09:46:10
somiaj: i'm running Mate on this laptop i5, but i have runned mate on lower specs as well as dual core PC's and it's very light in my mind.
somiaj 2017-02-22 09:46:36
crash_: I don't know what has changed since it was gnome2, but yea light is relative. (:
missmbob 2017-02-22 09:46:43
even so it's not "light" compared to lxde/xfce
ambient 2017-02-22 09:48:07
reboot
ambient 2017-02-22 09:48:14
: - )
crash_ 2017-02-22 09:49:36
missmbob: xfce and mate is the same i think in resources use. at least in my testing scenarios
luxio 2017-02-22 09:50:23
can I still configure my kernel like in gentoo?
somiaj 2017-02-22 09:50:53
luxio: you can compiile your own kernel if wanted, but this is a lot of extra work.
somiaj 2017-02-22 09:51:09
luxio: you also won't get the security updates automatically from debian this way, you'll have to recompile the kernel each time it is updated.
greycat 2017-02-22 09:51:13
The vast majority of Debian systems do not customize their kernels, I believe.
greycat 2017-02-22 09:51:34
It's just a difference in philosophy for the users.
somiaj 2017-02-22 09:51:46
luxio: the advantage in most cases is small, espically on modern hardware.
Dan39 2017-02-22 09:55:56
hi, does debian provide a GUI date/time utility like system-config-date?
RFleming 2017-02-22 09:56:13
Hello Debian
RFleming 2017-02-22 09:56:42
how well does Debian (out-of-the-box) support bluray?
RFleming 2017-02-22 09:56:57
(for video, not storage)
RFleming 2017-02-22 09:58:24
I'm looking to use Debian as my HTPC OS.
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 09:58:41
Dan39: Most desktops have interactive clocks. What do you actually want to do?
somiaj 2017-02-22 09:58:49
Dan39: xclock?
teclo- 2017-02-22 09:58:57
xdaliclock
Dan39 2017-02-22 09:59:21
jhutchins_wk: provide a standalone utility for setting the time
somiaj 2017-02-22 09:59:43
RFleming: it should support some playback, some blueray encription may require non-free software to decode, unsure here.
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:00:06
exactly like system-config-date :P
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:00:23
Dan39: Like "date"?
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:00:23
but GUI
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:00:33
Dan39: I don't know why anyone would bother with a GUI.
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:00:53
somiaj: yeah, I've been reading and reading. For the most part, I think I can use libbluray libaacs and libbdplus
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:00:56
Dan39: systemd sets the clock at boot, ntp kees it synced with timeservers.
somiaj 2017-02-22 10:01:16
RFleming: I'm getting some hits that says blueray playback in linux is hit and miss, and the software I'm seeing is more propriotary and wno't be in debian by default, you may have to do some work and even then may not get all blu ray discs to work
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:01:18
somiaj: but then read that kodi in backports is compiled to not use libbluray
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:01:41
jhutchins_wk: because the system is setup offline and kind of kiosk-like (but not for public use, only for a few people in an office) without a full desktop
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:01:45
I'd hate to have to use Windows for HTPC
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:02:16
Dan39: The BIOS clock setting is kindof GUI.
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:02:20
-_-
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:02:40
BIOS is password protected, dont want the computer illiterates in the bios
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:02:57
do you know of a tool or not?
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:02:58
Don't want computer illiterates setting the system time either.
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:03:01
Dan39: Why do you need to set the date and time so often you need a utility?
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:03:16
because modern motherboard RTCs suck
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:03:30
Dan39: that's why man invented NTP
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:03:36
since like you guys mentiond, everyone now is on internet with ntp
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:03:41
but this isnt on internet -_-
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:04:04
hi, need some info on how to mod debian8's default (fresh install) firewall setup please, ie what doc do I look at
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:04:11
BIOS clock NEVER was meant for RTC
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:04:31
maybe i can just install system-config-date from source... its all just python iirc, can drop it in a single folder without much effort i bet
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:04:41
RFleming: huh?
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:04:45
gzcwnk: What firewall did you install? This isn't Windows.
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:04:58
BIOS clock wasnt meant to hold proper time?
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:05:14
i tried looking into getting a radio clock without much luck
ambient 2017-02-22 10:05:35
Hello, I upgraded the kernel but lost dual monitors. That's to be expected, right?
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:05:35
Dan39: found this: http://ahsoftware.de/usb-rtc/
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:05:38
Dan39: Yeah, they're mostly expensive. There are ways to use a GPS chip.
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:05:44
jhutchins_wk, I didnt but running iptables -L -n I see one is running so I want to change it "correctly" rather than try hacking it
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:05:53
good luck getting a GPS signal indoors haha
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:06:23
gzcwnk: If there are IPTables rules then you installed something, and it's best to use whatever that was to change them.
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:06:27
RFleming: looks like an interesting option, thanks
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:06:42
the board im using debain on actually has a great rtc built in though
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:06:58
Dan39: you don't actually need to get GPS indoors, you just need to get the AM signal broadcast from NIST
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:06:59
jhutchins_wk agree but I have no idea what, hence I am asking what the "default" would be
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:07:02
Dan39: So why the need to change it from a GUI?
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:07:12
RFleming: i know, but thats not GPS now is it :P you said gps
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:07:15
gzcwnk: The default would be nothing.
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:07:17
i did say radio, you said otherwise
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:07:40
Dan39: GPS is radio.
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:07:42
jhutchins_wk: because the people getting the system cant use command line
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:07:50
jhutchins_wk well something got installed so my problem is how to work with it
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:08:09
jhutchins_wk: ok but when referring to clocks there is usually radio and gps
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:08:16
way to be freakin technical
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:08:19
ffs
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:08:20
now we're grasping at straws... the difference is frequency :)
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:08:25
gzcwnk: Figure out what it is.
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:08:30
would there be a cli file under /etc somewhere?
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:08:36
gzcwnk: Otherwise it'll probably just overwrite your changes.
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:08:47
i'd suspect so
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:08:53
hence why I am here asking
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:09:04
Dan39: it was jhutchins_wk that mentioned GPS chips
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:09:06
radio = like WWVB in US
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:09:09
gzcwnk: So the answer is there isn't one by default.
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:09:10
GPS = fucking gps.
steinborn 2017-02-22 10:09:13
gzcwnk: Hey, maybe show us the output if iptables -nvL on paste.debian.net. That could help.
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:10:04
that would be fun as I cant seem to cut and paste out of VMs
Dan39 2017-02-22 10:10:50
i cant believe you just pulled the "well gps IS radio"... ugh. typical #debian
steinborn 2017-02-22 10:11:15
gzcwnk: well are there actually *rules* or do you see just the empty default Chains (INPUT, FORWARD, OUTPUT)?
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:11:17
gzcwnk: There shouldn't be a firewall tool installed unless you installed it. (Or unless someone else did.)
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:11:33
yeah therer are rules
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:12:14
Dan39: Wife worked for Garmin Aviation for a couple of years, I have my Pilot and Mechanic licenses and studied avionics. I know GPS pretty well.
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:12:20
so are the rules stored under a common file somewhere?
missmbob 2017-02-22 10:12:31
!chat
dpkg 2017-02-22 10:12:31
This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
steinborn 2017-02-22 10:12:36
gzcwnk: dpkg -l | egrep '(fw|firewall)' could be worth a try
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:12:50
Dan39: I think a GPS chip would probably be cheaper than a WWV rig though.
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:13:08
Dan39: Then again my bathroom clock uses WWV.
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:13:40
steinborn no packages
steinborn 2017-02-22 10:14:28
gzcwnk: hum.
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:14:34
Dan39: Other than using the date at the CLI, and whatever utility is available in your DE of choice, I never gave much thought to a dedicated GUI utility to set the clock
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:15:08
Dan39: it's one of those things I never have to set other than the first time I get the computer.
steinborn 2017-02-22 10:15:11
gzcwnk: don't have an idea then atm, sorry. how to 'work' with it would indeed depend of the software that installed the rules in the first place.
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:15:34
which is my problem, I have no idea what was installed
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:16:20
Dan39: but my computers aren't disconnected from a network long enough to incur that much drift, and when they do reconnect... they use NTP.
steinborn 2017-02-22 10:16:33
gzcwnk: maybe you could skim over 'systemctl list-units' to see if you spot something firewalley there
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:17:28
gzcwnk: dpkg -l, identify all of the packages.
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:17:39
gzcwnk: That's always a good security exercise anyway.
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:18:05
gzcwnk: Is this maybe a pre-built VM, or did you build it yourself?
aotaointbin 2017-02-22 10:18:10
debian jessie, systemd, running `/usr/sbin/update-rc.d myservice enable` (yes, i know i should use systemctl) errors: "update-rc.d: error: myservice Default-Start contains no runlevels, aborting."
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:18:20
built myself off a cdrom just now
aotaointbin 2017-02-22 10:18:45
but /etc/init.d/myservice contains "# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5"
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:18:52
ive actually built 3 to play with a docker swarm
aotaointbin 2017-02-22 10:18:53
any ideas?
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:18:55
aotaointbin: Read the template/example in /etc/init.d/ for how to do the headers properly.
aotaointbin 2017-02-22 10:19:49
jhutchins_wk: "not all fields are required" and there's no mention of which ones are. also, no mention of whether or not line order makes a difference.
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:19:53
Dan39: I did find this cool gadget to build though: https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~heha/basteln/PC/FunkUsb/index.en.htm
aotaointbin 2017-02-22 10:20:08
jhutchins_wk: in any case, i do have a "# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5" line
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:20:11
gzcwnk: So either that's not debian or you installed a firewall.
RFleming 2017-02-22 10:20:21
Dan39: you'd have to get the right receiver chip... WWVB60, DCF77, etc. depending where you are
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:20:37
well its debian so I guess somehow I installed a firewall
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:22:03
Ok so I cant see anything in dpkg -l that points at a firewall
Spiffy 2017-02-22 10:26:06
Does anyone here have an account on domaintools.com? I want to look at historical data for a domain, but I dont want to pay for just that one domain.
aotaointbin 2017-02-22 10:27:19
i think i was missing the ### BEGIN INIT INFO \n ### END INIT INFO lines :P
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:33:00
gzcwnk: use aptitude in menu mode.
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:34:35
gzcwnk: Or whatever the GUI thing is - synaptic?
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:34:35
no idea I dont do gui's much
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:34:35
I think its gnome
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:35:08
eri451 um I odnt find aptitude intuitive
eri451 2017-02-22 10:35:24
you can click on the menu on top
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:35:30
eri451 um I odnt find aptitude intuitive
eri451 2017-02-22 10:36:43
okay then you maybe prefer to use apt
eri451 2017-02-22 10:37:04
but you should not use apt in scripts they say
aotaointbin 2017-02-22 10:38:12
who says that?
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:38:28
Ok so ssh works, and --> http://paste.debian.net/916289/
aotaointbin 2017-02-22 10:38:41
what's the recommended method to automate provisioning of new systems then?
missmbob 2017-02-22 10:38:51
aotaointbin: the developers. if it detects it's being run in a script it'll warn you not to do it
eri451 2017-02-22 10:38:51
the command tells you that when you pipe it e.g. to grep
aotaointbin 2017-02-22 10:39:41
interesting. i've not seen that.
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:39:50
gzcwnk: You don't suppose that those rules that all say DOCKER were installed by DOCKER do you?
eri451 2017-02-22 10:39:54
aotaointbin: do you know puppet or salt-stack or chef
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:40:16
jhutchins yes I said I installed docker x3
aotaointbin 2017-02-22 10:40:19
eri451: i know ansible...
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:40:25
aotaointbin: Provisioning preseed or kickstart. Management Ansible.
eri451 2017-02-22 10:40:34
well then there you go
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:40:56
gzcwnk: Apparently DOCKER sets up IPTables rules. Maybe there are docs for DOCKER?
aotaointbin 2017-02-22 10:40:59
my ansible playbooks make extensive use of apt-get on debian-flavored systems.
eri451 2017-02-22 10:41:22
here could be an example for salt-stack https://github.com/zentralwerk/network
aotaointbin 2017-02-22 10:41:26
i didn't know this was recommended against.
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:41:49
aotaointbin: I think the recommendation is specific to apt rather than apt-get or aptitude.
aotaointbin 2017-02-22 10:41:56
aha, fair enough.
aotaointbin 2017-02-22 10:42:37
i didn't even know there was an 'apt'
missmbob 2017-02-22 10:42:55
stretch's apt is pretty great.
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:42:57
aotaointbin: Latest and some day to be greatest, not full-featured yet.
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:43:03
jhutchins_wk I would hope like say Redhat there is a single point of management somewhere
missmbob 2017-02-22 10:43:22
jessie's apt leaves a bit to be desired
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:43:40
gzcwnk: READ THE DOCUMENTATION FOR DOCKER.
gzcwnk 2017-02-22 10:43:59
I have been cant see any mention
jhutchins_wk 2017-02-22 10:44:12
