dokma 2017-02-28 11:45:45
Is there anything like /usr/bin/fold that handles unicode properly?
missmbob 2017-02-28 11:45:52
nickgaw: you can replace...i dont know about delete
nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:47:13
How was debian installed before the debian-installer?
nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:50:16
Is there such a version of linux where I can have both rpm and dpkg and if I install a rpm dpkg will at least know about it so I can't install the same package using two package managers?
Shadow_7 2017-02-28 11:50:23
nickgaw: first installed it with floppies (26 for the whole set)
Shadow_7 2017-02-28 11:50:41
nickgaw: alien will convert .rpm to .deb
nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:50:48
so copying everything then dpkg?
nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:51:08
do I need rpm installed as well?
missmbob 2017-02-28 11:51:29
you want to. sometimes you have to extract something, for example.
oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:51:49
nickgaw: changing the package format is straight forwards having the dependancies work that is a totally different problem.
Shadow_7 2017-02-28 11:51:50
the depends: of alien has rpm
missmbob 2017-02-28 11:52:20
i recommend you not touch rpm's on debian other than extracting them for whatever reason
nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:52:25
could I build rpms on debian if the rpm tools were installed so I could do all packaging on debian?
Shadow_7 2017-02-28 11:53:11
probably better off using a vm or chroot for that
oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:53:21
nickgaw: again mostly no. The binaries will be build with debian dependancies. The reality is redhat and debian don't always name libraries the same.
dbarton 2017-02-28 11:53:46
oiaohm WORD, was writing the same :)
oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:54:42
nickgaw: if you really going cross distribution you do need to look at flatpak where you are selecting a runtime with application.
dbarton 2017-02-28 11:55:01
nickgaw you could probably do it if you don't need any libs etc… but even then, I ran into problems a few years ago when I've built an platform-independent RPM on RHEL6, because it wasn't compatible with RHEL5
nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:55:02
ok
oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:56:42
nickgaw: there are a lot of evils like gnu libc uses versioned functions. So you program using libc features can throw can fail if it built with a newer version of libc than the platform people attempt to install on.
oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:57:21
nickgaw: changing the package format is easy. Having the binary run is hard.
missmbob 2017-02-28 11:57:51
nickgaw: look at appimage too
nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:58:57
Does redhat and debian developers ever communicate?
oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:59:18
nickgaw: and as dbarton noted that even when you don't need to change package format you can have the complete thing fail.
oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:59:40
nickgaw: debian and redhat developer to talk to each other on different projects and at conferences.
nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:59:46
understandable
oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:59:51
nickgaw: but that does not make them all in the same page.
nickgaw 2017-02-28 12:00:07
what I mean is do they get along at all?
dbarton 2017-02-28 12:00:39
nickgaw completely different community…
oiaohm 2017-02-28 12:01:02
Redhat and Debian have the same fault. If you have a package built for a particular release it may not work on newer or older.
dbarton 2017-02-28 12:01:22
debian is open-source, RHEL is… well it is open-source… but it's driven by a sales-driven company
oiaohm 2017-02-28 12:01:26
Unless you go out of way to achieve that.
oiaohm 2017-02-28 12:01:59
nickgaw: really flatpak and appimage are attempt to go cross platform and avoid as much of the trouble as possible.
nickgaw 2017-02-28 12:02:09
are there no pay version of debian where secuity staff handle all updates for the user?
missmbob 2017-02-28 12:02:33
nickgaw: there are third party companies that do that. nothing official
dbarton 2017-02-28 12:02:48
nickgaw enterprise version? there isn't… but there are 3rd party companies doing that for you as a service
dbarton 2017-02-28 12:02:59
missmbob damn I was slower :)
nickgaw 2017-02-28 12:03:18
any advantages of those over the free security team?
missmbob 2017-02-28 12:03:39
you get to sit on your ass all day
oiaohm 2017-02-28 12:04:17
nickgaw: can be in LTS versions. Where since you can be paying the companies taking care of the LTS version you have say in what packages are included in debian LTS for maintaince.
dbarton 2017-02-28 12:04:18
nickgaw you've different issues… IMHO RedHat is one of the biggest insurance companies out there ;) they sell you "security" and "stability"… doesn't mean they do that well. most of the enterprise companies are afraid of "risks" so they "buy" security and therefore RHEL…
nickgaw 2017-02-28 12:04:39
why does unattended-upgrades not upgrade everything from security even when turned on?
missmbob 2017-02-28 12:05:04
nickgaw: did you read the wiki? it has some config settings you might want
oiaohm 2017-02-28 12:05:24
nickgaw: some cases it need a conflict resolve. That you have something installed preventing the update.
nickgaw 2017-02-28 12:08:32
where is the default /etc/crontab as mine was changed and I want to restore the default one?
missmbob 2017-02-28 12:09:30
nickgaw: https://paste.debian.net/917352/
nickgaw 2017-02-28 12:10:49
How can I take that and put it in place?
missmbob 2017-02-28 12:11:11
nickgaw: wget https://paste.debian.net/plain/917352
nickgaw 2017-02-28 12:11:32
ok will get it
ht 2017-02-28 12:30:27
hi
ht 2017-02-28 12:30:38
ok debian 8.7 is the current release :)
ht 2017-02-28 12:31:01
I'm trying to understand the version number format
ht 2017-02-28 12:31:26
can I get from 8.6 to 8.7 by doing apt-get upgrade?
missmbob 2017-02-28 12:31:33
yes
ht 2017-02-28 12:31:37
ok
ht 2017-02-28 12:31:38
.)
LennyKitty 2017-02-28 12:35:44
on virt-manager
LennyKitty 2017-02-28 12:35:49
how do I open a vm confifg
somiaj 2017-02-28 12:36:00
LennyKitty: virsh edit vm-name
somiaj 2017-02-28 12:36:12
LennyKitty: there may be an option to do that, but with virsh you can edit the xml directly
LennyKitty 2017-02-28 12:38:25
somiaj, virt-manager is the gui
somiaj 2017-02-28 12:38:49
correct, I'm unsure if the gui has such an option, if not just use virsh, it should modify the same vms
somiaj 2017-02-28 12:40:00
LennyKitty: I'm not getting any hits of ways to do it through the gui interface, but virsh should work
LennyKitty 2017-02-28 12:41:08
somiaj, ive done it before I just need to know how to open it :C
