BluesKaj 2017-02-28 05:48:54
ok, is dist-upgrade still used to upgrade to a new debian release or is it do-release-upgrade, like the 'buntus
BluesKaj 2017-02-28 05:48:59
?
petn-randall 2017-02-28 05:49:41
BluesKaj: I'm pretty sure that's a Ubuntu thing.
BluesKaj 2017-02-28 05:49:58
petn-randall, yeah, so it seems
petn-randall 2017-02-28 05:50:52
BluesKaj: The longest part of an dist-upgrade is reading the release notes and verifying the backups, though. Changing three words in /etc/apt/sources.list is done quite easily.
BluesKaj 2017-02-28 05:52:08
petn-randall, yes, i've done so in the past on kubuntu devel OSs
BluesKaj 2017-02-28 05:52:24
the sed command
wachpwnski-mobi 2017-02-28 05:57:43
Does anyone know what exit code 123 from live-build (lb build) is likely caused from?
jelly 2017-02-28 05:58:01
BluesKaj: the commands to be used for a release upgrade are documented in release notes; up until 7->8 release upgrade that included "apt-get dist-upgrade" but that wasn't all that needed to be done
jelly 2017-02-28 06:00:46
petn-randall: I avoid using "dist-upgrade" as a noun, prefering "release upgrade" because what the apt-get command does is pretty much not related to a release upgrade
BluesKaj 2017-02-28 06:05:48
jelly, I guess the short cut to a new release is to apt dist-upgrade all packages , then change the sources list to the next release name, and upate and upgrade with apt and dist-upgrade again
LunaSela 2017-02-28 06:06:00
Hi, is there a better way disabling bluetooth and WLAN by default (on boot) than putting rfkill block in rc.local?
BluesKaj 2017-02-28 06:06:26
jelly, and then pray
jelly 2017-02-28 06:07:30
BluesKaj: there is no shortcut, if one fails to read the release notes for common issues and precautions, then they get laughed at
missmbob 2017-02-28 06:08:08
BluesKaj: you would've been screwed with jessie's apache, for example
Shadow_7 2017-02-28 06:08:39
LunaSela: not installing wireless tools or firmwares is one way. But most popular de's have those as deps.
jelly 2017-02-28 06:08:49
even be basics of the procedure vary slightly between releases, sometimes an initial upgrade is recommended, sometimes it's not, sometimes the kernel needs to be upgraded first
BluesKaj 2017-02-28 06:09:11
jelly think the safest is to have separate / and /home partitons and install the new release to / and set the /home mountpoint without formatting ,
LunaSela 2017-02-28 06:09:27
Shadow_7: I want to be able to enable it on demand, but not sucking battery while not used
jelly 2017-02-28 06:09:45
BluesKaj: no, the safest is to read (and have backups)
BluesKaj 2017-02-28 06:10:21
that's been my procedure for yrs on kubuntu
BluesKaj 2017-02-28 06:13:02
well, I'm not on the job and I do have backups on an outboard drive, so it's not disastrous for me if something goes wrong
jelly 2017-02-28 06:13:50
BluesKaj: what are you trying to do, anyway
BluesKaj 2017-02-28 06:15:36
jelly, a user on a production machine was asking on the ##linux chat about upgrading to a new release on debian
jelly 2017-02-28 06:16:25
BluesKaj: going from which release to which release is important, because they you can tell them which release notes to READ
jelly 2017-02-28 06:17:42
which moglisch did already. That's the right answer: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
BluesKaj 2017-02-28 06:18:28
jelly, she was just curious about debian, don't think she had debian installed yet, then she left
BluesKaj 2017-02-28 06:21:28
yeah , i saw that ...I'll take my chances
missmbob 2017-02-28 06:22:42
it's not a chance, really. if they were using apache it *would* have broken
petn-randall 2017-02-28 06:23:50
jelly: good point
BluesKaj 2017-02-28 06:24:13
i have a pretty ordinary home user setup, no servers or databases to worry about
petn-randall 2017-02-28 06:25:59
missmbob: How was apache2 broken when upgrading from wheezy to jessie?
missmbob 2017-02-28 06:26:22
petn-randall: config file changes between 2.2 and 2.4
n4dir 2017-02-28 06:27:13
i can't remember i ever read the release notes. better not say it at all ...
missmbob 2017-02-28 06:27:38
i'd fire all of you but jelly :P
n4dir 2017-02-28 06:27:58
lol. and with full right !
stoned 2017-02-28 06:30:45
hello. I am trying to instll python, pip, but what package is it inside?
missmbob 2017-02-28 06:31:21
stoned: you shouldnt use pip as root. use virtualenv
stoned 2017-02-28 06:31:49
really
missmbob 2017-02-28 06:31:54
!tell stoned about virtualenv
stoned 2017-02-28 06:31:59
https://pypi.python.org/pypi/lightningmf I need this package for a mame front end
missmbob 2017-02-28 06:32:22
stoned: see the big warning in caps?
somiaj 2017-02-28 06:32:25
no we like to give random advise here just to see if people will listen.....
somiaj 2017-02-28 06:33:09
if not packaged in debian you could see if dh_python can help build a package for you
stoned 2017-02-28 06:35:17
I need python-pip and python3-pip packages.
stoned 2017-02-28 06:35:34
then setup virtualenv and install my pip package in a source repo there
stoned 2017-02-28 06:35:41
I get all that. Seems a bit much to go through just to do one thing.
stoned 2017-02-28 06:36:03
pip can install locally too, doesn't hav eto be root, right?
petn-randall 2017-02-28 06:36:22
missmbob: I'm fairly sure I read the release notes two years ago, as I updated all my machines back then.
somiaj 2017-02-28 06:37:39
stoned: that is what a virtual enviorment is
somiaj 2017-02-28 06:38:01
stoned: a way to install stuff locally away from the system.
stoned 2017-02-28 06:38:19
I thought pip can do it w/o running as root, or doing the virtualenv.
stoned 2017-02-28 06:38:22
but this works too
