sn0wmonster 2017-03-04 14:47:13
Ubuntu is Debian with the mindset of "get this working on all hardware at any cost, especially the cost of security"
unborn 2017-03-04 14:49:30
sn0wmonster: o/ long time no seen you.. anyway yes but - debian does run on all hardware too without any compromises
unborn 2017-03-04 14:49:54
:) dont forgot there is nonfree.. and it just worked on everything Ive tested
unborn 2017-03-04 14:51:19
I think ubuntu is great for what it does try to sale or whatever you call it, and debian does the same if not better but I would still say, its modified and its not the same thing.
sn0wmonster 2017-03-04 14:51:33
I haven't tested them both thoroughly enough to say, but Ubuntu Touch is proof enough fro me that they're most interested in bredth rather than depth
missmbob 2017-03-04 14:51:53
!chat
dpkg 2017-03-04 14:51:53
This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
sn0wmonster 2017-03-04 14:52:03
ty missmbob
unborn 2017-03-04 14:52:23
sn0wmonster: i use only debian.. which reminds me that this should be about debian support?
unborn 2017-03-04 14:52:46
missmbob: ty and s
piklu 2017-03-04 14:56:20
Suggest me a desktop environment other than gnome, I think it is a gnome issue here
Digz 2017-03-04 14:57:56
piklu, I quite like KDE on my Debian. Its old school, but slick.
piklu 2017-03-04 14:58:06
Digz : Trying kde plasma now
unborn 2017-03-04 14:58:09
piklu: tty, openbox, kde, xcfe
piklu 2017-03-04 14:58:22
unborn : Was trying to take one of them
unborn 2017-03-04 14:58:28
and that buggy how you call it..
unborn 2017-03-04 14:58:46
developed by mint
unborn 2017-03-04 14:58:52
I forgot the name..
unborn 2017-03-04 14:59:12
ah and other one the very nice one, buddye?
unborn 2017-03-04 14:59:46
piklu: budgie.. thats the one
unborn 2017-03-04 15:04:32
piklu: connect to where? are you again about your vnc?
piklu 2017-03-04 15:04:47
unborn : It is not a vnc issue at all, I believe it is a gnome issue
unborn 2017-03-04 15:05:28
piklu: so you have an error to connect somewhere from somewhere..
piklu 2017-03-04 15:05:42
unborn : I have an error to start a gnome environment.
unborn 2017-03-04 15:05:44
man whats the error msg?
unborn 2017-03-04 15:05:57
and how do you exactly connect?
piklu 2017-03-04 15:06:29
unborn : I can use vnc or ssh -X
piklu 2017-03-04 15:06:43
unborn : starting gnome-session is saying can not connect..oh oh
unborn 2017-03-04 15:06:49
sure you can..
unborn 2017-03-04 15:07:17
ah..I see..
artificial 2017-03-04 15:09:01
Why are there so many gui package management applications pre-installed? (Software, Synaptic, Package Updater, Packages) Whats the difference?
unborn 2017-03-04 15:09:32
there is plenty of 3th party (nonfree) software for the thing you just want to accomplish or free some great tool like ssh. I know that you was saying that you want to connect to server and keep your work there.. ssh would be completely fine. vnc it self have documentation out on internet. have look for it. I said that before.. for vnc you will not be able to log into gnome session.. that is why you have an error but perhaps you miss read my message
unborn 2017-03-04 15:09:55
artificial: synaptic
unborn 2017-03-04 15:10:02
great thing ^^^
unborn 2017-03-04 15:10:52
piklu: there is plenty.. was for you...
artificial 2017-03-04 15:11:49
Also whats the difference between "Firefox ESR" and "Iceweasel -> Firefox ESR"
artificial 2017-03-04 15:12:02
and why do I have both installed
unborn 2017-03-04 15:12:12
piklu: i dont really get it coz if you install vnc properly as server on linux machine it will install another DE for you.. you wont be able to use gnome session that milion % sure
psychoticwarrior 2017-03-04 15:12:20
i think firefox ESR is a newer version
missmbob 2017-03-04 15:12:31
nothing. you dont. the -> is just a link because firefox replaced iceweasel
unborn 2017-03-04 15:12:44
I think firefox esr is older version.. but I could be wrong
jrtc27 2017-03-04 15:14:47
Firefox ESR is the LTS version
unborn 2017-03-04 15:15:20
artificial: as jrtc27 said... I was wrong. sorry.
artificial 2017-03-04 15:15:40
"Iceweasel->Firefox ESR: This is a transitional package, it can be safely removed."
artificial 2017-03-04 15:19:52
Can I get the non-esr version of firefox?
missmbob 2017-03-04 15:20:25
it's in sid and jessie only
missmbob 2017-03-04 15:20:41
,v firefox
judd 2017-03-04 15:20:42
Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 51.0.1-3~bpo80+1; sid: 51.0.1-3; experimental: 52.0~b9-1
unborn 2017-03-04 15:27:33
artificial: you can still download the ff from its own website, unpacked into your opt directory and use it from there.. I mean manual is on internet.. once verified you happy with package on your system you can remove the debians one in synaptic but this is ill advised
unborn 2017-03-04 15:27:51
and also I would say insecure
Kawaxi 2017-03-04 15:27:57
Guys I need to find a package , and stop the installation if its already installed , someone could help me?
piklu 2017-03-04 15:28:19
unborn : $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server.
piklu 2017-03-04 15:28:25
unborn : when I do startkde
somiaj 2017-03-04 15:28:33
Kawaxi: what do you mean by find? apt/aptitude will not install packages that are already installed
unborn 2017-03-04 15:28:42
piklu: no you dont listen or read what I said
unborn 2017-03-04 15:28:54
piklu: no gnome no cinammon no kde
piklu 2017-03-04 15:29:00
unborn : why ??
unborn 2017-03-04 15:29:51
you can get maximum xcfe.. piklu well you should ask someone who developing vnc for linux, perhaps there is very good reason for this.. less resources for remote
unborn 2017-03-04 15:30:06
local is not important that much but remote is
piklu 2017-03-04 15:30:29
unborn : People are using gnome on vnc
unborn 2017-03-04 15:30:34
...i think its xcfe isnt it
piklu 2017-03-04 15:30:44
piklu : and I have 1gbit connection
unborn 2017-03-04 15:30:54
yes piklu I use gnome to connect to vnc on my arch..
Shadow_7_ 2017-03-04 15:31:01
you should be using some sort of manager. be it startx or otherwise
unborn 2017-03-04 15:31:36
again piklu you can connect whatever to lightweight DE like xcfe
veek 2017-03-04 15:31:38
for iptables -N, if the chain exists how do we detect and skip
unborn 2017-03-04 15:32:26
you will never be able to get connection from your box to gnome or kde or cinnamon.. unless you running that linux in virtualbox
missmbob 2017-03-04 15:32:57
unborn: wrong.
unborn 2017-03-04 15:33:02
its not about the connection speed its about vnc server
unborn 2017-03-04 15:33:31
missmbob: perhaps - sunlight me
missmbob 2017-03-04 15:33:52
unborn: the opposite of what you said
unborn 2017-03-04 15:34:21
missmbob: so vnc on linux will does load advanced gui like gnome and kde?
unborn 2017-03-04 15:34:47
as server.. he is whatever to linux box..
somiaj 2017-03-04 15:36:54
Kawaxi: please speak in the channel, don't send messages
Kawaxi 2017-03-04 15:37:36
somiaj , I havent pm you.
somiaj 2017-03-04 15:37:56
you are sending some kinda of message, just speak in the channel
Kawaxi 2017-03-04 15:38:16
notice is not some kind of msg, its the same you use when you mention my nickname...
somiaj 2017-03-04 15:38:16
anyways I suggest using dpkg to check if something is installed first, that might work better.
Kawaxi 2017-03-04 15:38:35
dpkg..
unborn 2017-03-04 15:38:43
somiaj: there is easy way to block that - I think debian chan have it in message right as you connect to it.. just give your self favour with +r more
unborn 2017-03-04 15:38:46
*mode
somiaj 2017-03-04 15:39:18
unborn: it isn't a /msg, but it is some other message, maybe something the client is doing.
Kawaxi 2017-03-04 15:39:23
thanks for the suggestion somiaj
Kawaxi 2017-03-04 15:40:12
you more than likely hes receiving a notification product of the / notice
unborn 2017-03-04 15:40:38
missmbob: I admit I used vnc in long time ago on linux box.. but never been able to connect to gone or other.. only wino used to let you do this.. but I am not sure.. if you would spare few moments to tell me and piklu how to do this? hes been trying it all evening.. like 3 hours
unborn 2017-03-04 15:40:54
..and I also would love to know hot to do that
somiaj 2017-03-04 15:40:56
the messages are going to my main information console, this is not normal, if you are just typing my name and this is automatically happening, it is a configuration in your client.
unborn 2017-03-04 15:41:32
vnc server on linux box simply would not work with gnome.. thats what I know past several years...but I could be also wrong.
unborn 2017-03-04 15:42:00
somiaj: ah sure.
