mnd 2017-03-09 09:46:41
@greycat so it doesnt work on stretch?
greycat 2017-03-09 09:46:52
Sure, it'll work.
mnd 2017-03-09 09:46:58
but?
greycat 2017-03-09 09:47:01
Removing the display manager is a great way to make it stop running.
mnd 2017-03-09 09:47:27
there's no but?
greycat 2017-03-09 09:47:36
But it skips over all the systemd stuff.
mnd 2017-03-09 09:52:09
it says lightlocker and task-xfce-desktop will be removed are you guys sure I can still use startx to get a gui running after this? xD @jelly @greycat
jelly 2017-03-09 09:52:36
userro: no, but there's probably a list somewhere on debian's web site
greycat 2017-03-09 09:52:40
If all else fails you can always reinstall lightlocker. The task-* is just a metapackage, not anything important.
jelly 2017-03-09 09:52:57
userro: they vary between releases/branches
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-09 09:53:04
systemd uses target files to set what used to be runlevels. multi-user.target will start everything but the GUI. Set that as your default.
jelly 2017-03-09 09:53:21
mnd: if you like xfce, you probably don't want to do that I guess?
userro 2017-03-09 09:53:28
jelly, yeah
mnd 2017-03-09 09:53:35
:(
userro 2017-03-09 09:53:49
I've found the list by Google search
jelly 2017-03-09 09:53:57
mnd: just disable the service in some way, then
mnd 2017-03-09 09:54:00
so startx will run the old X11 desktop?
greycat 2017-03-09 09:54:02
jhutchins_wk: right, that is the part that's missing from the nodm factoid
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-09 09:55:41
systemctl set-default multi-user.target
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-09 09:56:40
systemctl set-default graphical.target to return to normal config.
jelly 2017-03-09 09:58:20
how does one see the default
greycat 2017-03-09 09:58:20
looks like get-default, from the man page
jelly 2017-03-09 09:58:20
I managed to guess it.
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-09 09:58:20
systemctl get-default
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-09 09:58:20
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/System_Administrators_Guide/sect-Managing_Services_with_systemd-Targets.html
jelly 2017-03-09 09:58:20
still peeved at the horribly verbose syntax
mnd 2017-03-09 09:58:20
thanks jhutchins_wk
jelly 2017-03-09 09:58:20
and inability to tab-complete systemctl
greycat 2017-03-09 09:58:20
dpkg, nodm =~ s/Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just/In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or/
dpkg 2017-03-09 09:58:20
greycat: OK
cnnx 2017-03-09 10:03:33
is there such a thing as debian 9 yet?
cnnx 2017-03-09 10:03:39
even in beta
jpw 2017-03-09 10:03:49
yes
cnnx 2017-03-09 10:03:51
ok
jelly 2017-03-09 10:03:52
oh, you didn't screw up, I'm reading the s/// wrong
greycat 2017-03-09 10:03:52
We call it "testing".
cnnx 2017-03-09 10:03:57
cool
greycat 2017-03-09 10:03:57
!nodm
dpkg 2017-03-09 10:03:57
In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/).
cnnx 2017-03-09 10:04:42
i have a more general question, don't want to start any wars, but when people talk about stable production systems they often refer to RHEL/centos, no one really mentions debian and i find its a stable distro, why is that?
greycat 2017-03-09 10:04:56
Red Hat has better marketing, probably.
jelly 2017-03-09 10:04:58
cnnx: it's not really a beta or alpha, because the release process is... weird
jpw 2017-03-09 10:05:17
cnnx: debian is an enterprise OS
cnnx 2017-03-09 10:05:26
jpw: does it offer paid support?
jpw 2017-03-09 10:05:27
stability is everything
bin_bash 2017-03-09 10:05:30
greycat: also enterprise support for rhel
jelly 2017-03-09 10:05:38
s/enterprise/universal/ :>
jpw 2017-03-09 10:05:46
cnnx: no thats why people often omit it.
cnnx 2017-03-09 10:05:51
ok
cnnx 2017-03-09 10:05:59
and is it true the creator of it passed away ?
cnnx 2017-03-09 10:06:03
like last year or something?
mnd 2017-03-09 10:33:39
I have a pretty powerful dedicated server and time
jpw 2017-03-09 10:34:59
i concur, email - don't bother
jpw 2017-03-09 10:35:20
it's so hard to get right
jpw 2017-03-09 10:35:59
and it costs effectively nothing to out source.
bencc 2017-03-09 10:37:48
ttf-adf-gillius is "a purified variation to Gill sans" https://packages.debian.org/sid/ttf-adf-gillius
