unborn 2017-03-04 13:45:22
stoned: sure. sorry.. ssh is my answer unless you tell him step by step. enjoy
stoned 2017-03-04 13:45:35
either the grey backround is default, or it's using the file to set it using xsetroot, however, it's running xserver it seems and ocnnecting
stoned 2017-03-04 13:45:43
noting show sup, no apps or anythign, not even gnome-session
stoned 2017-03-04 13:45:50
that it means the file is n't causing the destop to be gray
stoned 2017-03-04 13:45:57
it's default gry desktop in Xorg afaik.
tofutoon 2017-03-04 13:46:01
Can someone suggest a server/client combination that supports chat, audio calls, and screensharing that works on Linux, Mac, and Windows?
stoned 2017-03-04 13:46:02
so this file isn't taken effect
stoned 2017-03-04 13:46:06
I would run as user, not root
stoned 2017-03-04 13:46:12
come back when you run as user
stoned 2017-03-04 13:46:18
and stop running things as root
stoned 2017-03-04 13:46:36
also, i'm tired. Bye now.
piklu 2017-03-04 13:48:52
stoned : :)
piklu 2017-03-04 13:48:53
sure.
unborn 2017-03-04 13:49:30
tofutoon: there was something long time ago like screenconnect but that was sold and went well expensive.. only google chrome non free software can give you this or skype.. I mean google is your friend
stoned 2017-03-04 13:50:03
piklu: sorry. I got tired. I don't know vnc enough. Perhaps another could assist.
unborn 2017-03-04 13:50:07
or realvnc but that is also non free software
stoned 2017-03-04 13:50:20
Once I get my second machine up, I'll use vnc and set you know.
piklu 2017-03-04 13:50:23
stoned : I am extremely thankful for whatever help I got
stoned 2017-03-04 13:50:33
I got a free computer, 2gb, windows xp, not bad, gonna debian it up.
unborn 2017-03-04 13:50:38
or teamviewer but also non free.. I mean google it
piklu 2017-03-04 13:53:02
unborn : I have used teamviewer, I don't think so using with linux is a great idea
stoned 2017-03-04 13:53:28
https://www.xquartz.org/
stoned 2017-03-04 13:53:36
Get an X server for your Mac.
stoned 2017-03-04 13:53:39
Run it.
stoned 2017-03-04 13:53:45
Then ssh -X to debian.
piklu 2017-03-04 13:53:45
stoned : Exactly installing this right now
unborn 2017-03-04 13:54:30
piklu: well I am using it all the times since some users does not like idea to install anything.. personally I do not have package installed on my system.. its jut in browser - google extention or whatever you call it.. however for linux, I would not advice you to use full install.. just use quick support
linuxgoof 2017-03-04 13:54:53
can anyone tell me how to undo this command i used when trying to fix an earlier problem? trying to get things back to the way they were
unborn 2017-03-04 13:54:54
piklu: if you want to do real work on linux desktop/server just use ssh.. safest and best way
linuxgoof 2017-03-04 13:54:54
dpkg-divert --local --rename --add /sbin/initctl
stoned 2017-03-04 13:54:58
I woudld not recommend any non-free software unless absolutely needed and last resort.
unborn 2017-03-04 13:55:05
*and fastest
piklu 2017-03-04 13:55:06
unborn : I think it will still mess up, I believe we have a generic session mess up here, teamviewer will have to start a GUI too
stoned 2017-03-04 13:55:11
This is #debian. DFSG, free software.
piklu 2017-03-04 13:55:21
unborn : I do use ssh. mostly.
stoned 2017-03-04 13:55:27
The spirit of freedom. Let's try to recommend prop. apps as least as possible.
piklu 2017-03-04 13:55:51
unborn : However i want to have a server running everything, so I can come back and use it as a remote desktop to continue work
unborn 2017-03-04 13:56:15
so whats the issue? piklu I would be honest with you.. I used vnc on linux last time in 2009, it was called wino or what it was.. perhaps its still in debian..
tofutoon 2017-03-04 13:56:32
unborn: I have been googling for some time. And, I tried out several software packages. qTox was the closest thing I found, but it's a bit buggy. Skype seems to be the best option. It's free as in beer but not as in freedom.
piklu 2017-03-04 13:56:36
unborn : I keep changing computer and I lose the flow of work.
unborn 2017-03-04 13:56:38
ah sure.. server.. ssh on my end..
piklu 2017-03-04 13:57:25
stoned : I will come back, xquartz wants me to login logout to start it
linuxgoof 2017-03-04 13:57:25
so no? no one knows how to revert a dpkg-divert?
fishsticks 2017-03-04 13:58:44
https://wiki.debian.org/Adding%20and%20removing%20diversions
fishsticks 2017-03-04 13:58:48
might help
Shadow_7_ 2017-03-04 13:58:55
linuxgoof: probably a dpkg-reconfigure
unborn 2017-03-04 13:59:08
tofutoon: what I do with my clients is simply plug into network rpi with reverse ssh to my server, then I connect to rpi and have look at network.. then connect to desktop via rdp or vnc and do remote support.. most of vncs have chat build in.. also I run my own irc server if user wants to chat and I am on rdp.. but thats over kill.. simple skype should give you screensharing (no remote access just sharing) and chat.. is that what you looking for?
linuxgoof 2017-03-04 13:59:26
@Shadow_7_ if I ran this exact command: dpkg-divert --local --rename --add /sbin/initctl do you know how I would go about undoing it?
artificial 2017-03-04 13:59:27
So I followed the advice of a couple users here by keeping jessie (instead of stretch) and just using a backport kernel. Now debian no longer boots into gdm and I get the following errors at boot: http://dpaste.com/20B3M17
unborn 2017-03-04 13:59:40
piklu: sure.. same here long time ago.. have backup on server. server does not need gui
unborn 2017-03-04 14:00:16
said in simple plain loud words.. ssh would serve you best piklu
stoned 2017-03-04 14:00:24
artificial: just boot the old kernel in grub.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:00:34
artificial: then remove the bpo kernel
Shadow_7_ 2017-03-04 14:00:35
linuxgoof: what is it in conflict with? dpkg-divert
stoned 2017-03-04 14:00:44
I don't use any goofy backports kernels stable is stable.
missmbob 2017-03-04 14:00:56
artificial: install firmware-iwlwifi from jessie-backports as well
stoned 2017-03-04 14:00:58
backprots are not part of stable, but provided as conveneince to users to use at their own risk.
unborn 2017-03-04 14:01:10
piklu: if you about to use remote desktop like cloud os - you may better google things out to better understand what it is about. sorry.
linuxgoof 2017-03-04 14:01:11
@Shadow_7_ not in conflict with anything, i just don't want anything changed unecessarily
tofutoon 2017-03-04 14:01:13
unborn: I'm currently using Skype, but it's a bit buggy. What do you use for rdp and/or vnc?
artificial 2017-03-04 14:01:19
stoned: My hardware is pretty new and requires kernel 4.6+, should I just use stretch?
missmbob 2017-03-04 14:01:23
artificial: the firmware version has to match the kernel. so both need to be from backports
stoned 2017-03-04 14:01:30
artificial: I see your isuse now. Hm.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:01:40
artificial: then in that case, install the non-free package
themill 2017-03-04 14:01:48
artificial: do you have firmware-misc-nonfree installed?
stoned 2017-03-04 14:01:49
artificial: you need contrib non-free in your sources
piklu 2017-03-04 14:02:04
stoned: I was able to start a gvim window now.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:02:05
Then that packet the mil saisd
stoned 2017-03-04 14:02:09
themill said
piklu 2017-03-04 14:02:10
stoned : However extremely slow
Dagger 2017-03-04 14:02:17
specifically I think you need firmware-misc-nonfree /from backports/
piklu 2017-03-04 14:02:19
stoned : how can I start a full desktop ?
stoned 2017-03-04 14:02:24
piklu: try ssh -X -C for compression
piklu 2017-03-04 14:02:46
stoned : I am on a gigabit line :)
stoned 2017-03-04 14:02:53
piklu: over ssh -X? I dunno. I don't know if you can.
unborn 2017-03-04 14:02:54
tofutoon: vnc - realvnc and sometimes for just quick drop of google chrome.. for rdp just rdp.. I mean remmna if you asking for client
Dagger 2017-03-04 14:02:59
artificial: although given that stretch is frozen, you might want to just install it directly rather than bothing with backports at the moment
unborn 2017-03-04 14:03:07
I dont use skype at all
stoned 2017-03-04 14:03:22
stretch is supported in #debian-next on oftc
unborn 2017-03-04 14:03:24
tofutoon: also sometimes teamviewer but that depends on client
stoned 2017-03-04 14:03:25
irc.debian.org
artificial 2017-03-04 14:03:42
stoned: themill I have my sources set to non-free already and I believe firmware-linux-nonfree is also installed.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:03:59
,v firmware-misc-nonfree
judd 2017-03-04 14:04:00
Package: firmware-misc-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20161130-2; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2
themill 2017-03-04 14:04:01
artificial: don't believe, check. That dmesg output indicates otherwise
themill 2017-03-04 14:04:48
(it may also be that it has just loaded a different version of the firmware of course)
piklu 2017-03-04 14:04:54
stoned : almost unusable, very laggy
stoned 2017-03-04 14:05:09
piklu: is there an rdesktop client for os x?
piklu 2017-03-04 14:05:10
stoned : I extremely like the idea of launching apps.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:05:19
piklu: run rdp on debian, rdesktop client on os x
piklu 2017-03-04 14:05:21
piklu : Rdesktop ?
artificial 2017-03-04 14:05:22
themill: http://dpaste.com/13PJ34B Says its installed
stoned 2017-03-04 14:05:27
piklu: rgp > vnc anyway
stoned 2017-03-04 14:05:33
vnc updates full, whic this updates in chunks.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:05:37
better algorightm.
piklu 2017-03-04 14:05:39
stoned : RDP as in windows rdp ?
unborn 2017-03-04 14:05:41
tofutoon: realvnc as viewer only.. on linux and on windows and xos as servers I use opensourced binary software.. you can google them
themill 2017-03-04 14:05:48
artificial: not that I can see
stoned 2017-03-04 14:05:52
rdp is by microsofft, also implented in foss
stoned 2017-03-04 14:05:58
yes.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:06:07
I personally prefer rdp to vnc
stoned 2017-03-04 14:06:10
rdp also carries audio iirc.
themill 2017-03-04 14:06:11
artificial: firmware-misc-nonfree is not listed there
stoned 2017-03-04 14:06:12
vnc does not.
artificial 2017-03-04 14:06:19
themill: Line 165: ii firmware-linux-nonfree 0.43 all Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel
themill 2017-03-04 14:06:42
firmware-misc-nonfree ≠ firmware-linux-nonfree
stoned 2017-03-04 14:06:58
If you have a Linux computer and sound is working on it, then you will be able to get sound through rdesktop. But it's not necessary easy, unless you are aware that there is a bug that prevents it. Good news is that there is a really simple work-around to make sound work. - http://www.gearhack.com/Forums/DisplayComments.php?file=Computer/Linux/Getting_Sound_Through_rdesktop
stoned 2017-03-04 14:07:12
If you want a full desktop experience, try rdp on debian, client on os x
stoned 2017-03-04 14:07:20
this will give sound too.
artificial 2017-03-04 14:07:20
themill: There is no package by that name in jessie
piklu 2017-03-04 14:07:32
stoned : RDP installed and connected, same gray screen now
themill 2017-03-04 14:07:33
artificial: you're running the kernel from backports
unborn 2017-03-04 14:07:43
tofutoon: but primary is vpn connection (if you have this assets) or give client simple rpi poe with reverse connection to your server and then you can use rdp or vnc within local ips..
stoned 2017-03-04 14:07:54
piklu: keep messing w/ it, eventually you'll figure it out
themill 2017-03-04 14:07:56
artificial: as missmbob said earlier, [12:01] artificial: the firmware version has to match the kernel. so both need to be from backports
stoned 2017-03-04 14:07:57
I have to go now.
piklu 2017-03-04 14:07:59
stoned : yes
stoned 2017-03-04 14:08:41
piklu: there are many solutions to the desktop issue. Run gnome panel over ssh, and use it to launch individual apps on your local machine Xquartz server
stoned 2017-03-04 14:08:52
it maybe slow, but you can use -C ssh compression
stoned 2017-03-04 14:08:59
over lan, it should be pretyt darn fast.
piklu 2017-03-04 14:09:02
stoned : I am pretty sure it has something to do with gnome now
unborn 2017-03-04 14:09:13
tofutoon: vpn is very free option.. keep your clients on and when they need support they just log into it and you just connect, be it ssh, vnc, rdp or whatever
unborn 2017-03-04 14:09:16
simple and clean
stoned 2017-03-04 14:09:17
like I said, xorg launches, you conenc,t just no apps run
piklu 2017-03-04 14:09:21
stoned : I launched gnome-session, it asked me to logout.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:09:23
display is running afaict
stoned 2017-03-04 14:09:32
I don't use goofy desktops man
stoned 2017-03-04 14:09:34
Xmoand here.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:09:37
and mostly cli apps.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:10:20
I might setup vpn on a vps
artificial 2017-03-04 14:10:21
themill: Still doesnt exist, and I tried installing the other firmware packets with jessie-backports and it says they're already the newest version.
tofutoon 2017-03-04 14:10:27
unborn: VPN might be the right option.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:10:43
my cheap vpn right now is screen in terminal :D
stoned 2017-03-04 14:10:47
haha
tofutoon 2017-03-04 14:10:51
unborn: Thanks for the suggestion.
unborn 2017-03-04 14:10:53
tofutoon: I am using this for about 8 months and it is.. at least for me..
missmbob 2017-03-04 14:10:54
artificial: you must add non-free to jessie-backports line
themill 2017-03-04 14:11:01
!show sources.list artificial
dpkg 2017-03-04 14:11:01
artificial: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
unborn 2017-03-04 14:11:26
tofutoon: once you loose client for whatever reason you just remove his credentials from vpn and forget him..
unborn 2017-03-04 14:12:24
stoned: vpn aka ssh port forwarding is great for proxying :) I love it
tofutoon 2017-03-04 14:12:31
unborn: Mainly I'm looking at this as a tool to work with other developers remotely. Neither of us really wants to give access to our machines to the other person.
tofutoon 2017-03-04 14:12:49
unborn: That's one reason Skype works well.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:13:00
tofutoon: the best way to do this is with version control.
unborn 2017-03-04 14:13:31
tofutoon: then vpn should be fine.. if you all *nix based then ssh should be fine too.. if you working on some code, man use git
stoned 2017-03-04 14:13:37
tofutoon: development works best when you have a container setup, anyone can replicate, w/ code on repository.
unborn 2017-03-04 14:13:41
or something similar
tofutoon 2017-03-04 14:13:43
stoned: We use version control, but there's things like design/questions that people don't always want to put down in writing.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:14:02
tofutoon: they work best in writing.
piklu 2017-03-04 14:14:10
stoned : I am trying to change to a docker based dev now
linuxgoof 2017-03-04 14:14:11
Shadow_7_ actually im kind of confused as to what dpkg-divert does in that scenario considering i thought it redirects packages
stoned 2017-03-04 14:14:14
There is a reason RFCs are written and not spoken.
unborn 2017-03-04 14:14:36
tofutoon: vpn or shared disk somewhere on net.. where you can actually upload things, see them and test them
stoned 2017-03-04 14:14:42
Almost all RFC I've read are primarrily design documents.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:14:46
Excellent
unborn 2017-03-04 14:15:01
tofutoon: I mean calling each other regards button on website is just - ehrm..
Shadow_7_ 2017-03-04 14:15:10
linuxgoof: without parms it details diverts... files provided by more than one package
unborn 2017-03-04 14:15:24
but vpn should works for everyone
stoned 2017-03-04 14:15:27
piklu: vagrant here.
piklu 2017-03-04 14:15:30
stoned : do u have experience with swarm or deis or kubernetes?
stoned 2017-03-04 14:15:43
piklu: docker is too ... well, vagrant can spin up instances on rackspace so that's good.
Shadow_7_ 2017-03-04 14:15:49
like libGL.so that is by xorg or amd proprietary driver
piklu 2017-03-04 14:15:57
stoned : I use dedicated machines mosty
stoned 2017-03-04 14:15:57
piklu: never heard those names before.
piklu 2017-03-04 14:16:13
stoned : Really ??
stoned 2017-03-04 14:16:19
Would I lie?
unborn 2017-03-04 14:16:26
lol
piklu 2017-03-04 14:16:42
stoned : look them up. they can save you lots of bills :) making your own cluster using dedi
stoned 2017-03-04 14:16:48
ahh
artificial 2017-03-04 14:16:50
themill: Installed the backport version, still have dmesg errors and still doesnt boot into gdm
stoned 2017-03-04 14:16:51
sure
piklu 2017-03-04 14:17:28
stoned : https://www.runabove.com/docker-with-mesos-marathon.xml
stoned 2017-03-04 14:17:29
https://www.npmjs.com/package/swarm-server you mean this?
piklu 2017-03-04 14:17:30
try this service too
stoned 2017-03-04 14:17:44
Maybe
stoned 2017-03-04 14:17:49
I don't even use containers, really.
unborn 2017-03-04 14:17:53
piklu: im running my sites from my own server costing me 23 pops a month on my regular internet.. if you want to save money, do it on your own..
piklu 2017-03-04 14:17:56
stoned : https://docs.docker.com/engine/swarm/
unborn 2017-03-04 14:18:05
no dedi..
stoned 2017-03-04 14:18:07
I'm oldschool. I don't use ansible type config software either
unborn 2017-03-04 14:18:13
be your own dedi..
stoned 2017-03-04 14:18:14
old school shell scripts and presseding stuffs
piklu 2017-03-04 14:18:23
unborn : I agree, but i am trying to make a MMORPG baseline. I need better.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:18:24
I have dabbled in the whole container thing
stoned 2017-03-04 14:18:42
that whole container and all that workflow is for people who I think have a terrible work habit.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:18:52
I think these containers try to solve a nonproblem. but that' sneither here nor there.
piklu 2017-03-04 14:18:57
stoned : you are on right path. you will love swarm though. It is native docker and allows you to make a cluster out of many machines.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:19:08
i'll check it otu, thank you
piklu 2017-03-04 14:19:37
piklu - you can than scale them, move here and there, they will self heal and will be highly available.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:19:55
haha.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:20:01
don't mention moving things here and there.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:20:20
I battled a crazy zfs on linux feature/flag mismatch issue from jessie to stretch for 4 days
stoned 2017-03-04 14:20:30
including 3 days of openindiana, freebsd, 3 linux, and 2 debians testing.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:20:42
back on zfs after all the ranting. but still.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:20:51
(was moving pools across oses)
piklu 2017-03-04 14:21:09
stoned : well, it is not a clustered filesystem. It runs many docker containers and allows to be load balanced.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:21:22
*nod*
linuxgoof 2017-03-04 14:21:31
is it possible to apt-get the original /sbin files
stoned 2017-03-04 14:21:45
linuxgoof: what did you do?
linuxgoof 2017-03-04 14:21:46
say if i accidently delete one
unborn 2017-03-04 14:21:46
stoned: since we are in same container.. how would you do apache proxy but leave .htaccess rules in local to be applied to proxy.. any thoughts?
stoned 2017-03-04 14:21:54
linuxgoof: you can always install-reinstall a package
stoned 2017-03-04 14:22:02
which file?
linuxgoof 2017-03-04 14:22:06
initctl
stoned 2017-03-04 14:22:09
do apt-file on it, fin dth epackage, and reinstall th epacakge.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:22:29
apt-file search initctl
stoned 2017-03-04 14:22:41
then apt-get install reinstall (forgot syntax, check manpage)
unborn 2017-03-04 14:23:32
...thats what I thought..
unborn 2017-03-04 14:23:56
all of those nowadays wanabies.. zero knowledge
unborn 2017-03-04 14:24:33
you may be able to deploy docker but rest of it guys? I mean really..
linuxgoof 2017-03-04 14:24:40
@stoned okay so there's the one i want to reinstall /sbin/initctl
unborn 2017-03-04 14:24:55
wtf is wrong with you. anyway this is supposed to be debian help channel...
abishai 2017-03-04 14:26:12
guys, is udevd required on a VPS?
stoned 2017-03-04 14:26:14
linuxgoof: ok
stoned 2017-03-04 14:26:24
abishai: yes.
abishai 2017-03-04 14:26:28
okie
linuxgoof 2017-03-04 14:27:21
@stoned so when I do apt-get reinstall initctl it says unable to locate
abishai 2017-03-04 14:29:35
guys I'm coming from Slackware, which I've been using for a few years
abishai 2017-03-04 14:29:45
I have to say I'm liking Debian, a lot
abishai 2017-03-04 14:29:53
and the package manager is very potent
stoned 2017-03-04 14:29:56
/sbin/initctlupstart
stoned 2017-03-04 14:30:00
hm.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:30:53
apt-get install --reinstall upstart ?
stoned 2017-03-04 14:32:05
try that linuxgoof
Shadow_7_ 2017-03-04 14:32:32
upstart is ubuntu. and older ubuntu 14.04 -
unborn 2017-03-04 14:34:10
0o
stoned 2017-03-04 14:34:10
https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=initctl&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any
stoned 2017-03-04 14:34:10
upstart: /sbin/initctl
stoned 2017-03-04 14:34:10
apt-file reports this in debian jessie
stoned 2017-03-04 14:34:10
reinstall this package.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:34:10
and stop deleting things in /sbin
unborn 2017-03-04 14:34:10
,v upstart
judd 2017-03-04 14:34:10
Package: upstart on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.6.1-1; jessie: 1.11-5
unborn 2017-03-04 14:34:10
hm okay.. ist still there..
stoned 2017-03-04 14:34:10
Shadow_7_: ubuntu is debian :)
stoned 2017-03-04 14:34:10
well. not 'is', but you get me.
unborn 2017-03-04 14:34:10
stoned: ubuntu is not debian
stoned 2017-03-04 14:34:10
eh.
unborn 2017-03-04 14:34:10
its based on debian but ubuntu is not debian
linuxgoof 2017-03-04 14:34:10
doing that want to install a lot of packages
unborn 2017-03-04 14:34:10
ubuntu works completely differently from debian
unborn 2017-03-04 14:34:10
its not the same thing
stoned 2017-03-04 14:34:10
Sir, the package is the same.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:34:10
Ubuntu takes debian packages.
stoned 2017-03-04 14:34:10
Whatever is in ubuntu, is in debian.
linuxgoof 2017-03-04 14:34:10
i just want to install the initctl i guess i can't?
stoned 2017-03-04 14:34:10
Then they add all sorts of goofy stuff
artificial 2017-03-04 14:34:10
abishai: well you come from a distro that doesnt resolve dependencies lol
stoned 2017-03-04 14:34:10
But it always begin with debian.
piklu 2017-03-04 14:36:54
stoned : xhost +
piklu 2017-03-04 14:37:02
this says unable to open display "localhost:10.0"
piklu 2017-03-04 14:37:07
does it click something ?
unborn 2017-03-04 14:37:22
I was wonder why half of the stuff you was advised here was not working for users who asked.. dont get me wrong ops does not like me here coz I am pain in butt I mean really, but.... im out of here.
unborn 2017-03-04 14:37:29
stoned: ^^^
fishsticks 2017-03-04 14:38:09
Ubuntu is Debian that is slightly modded is all
fishsticks 2017-03-04 14:38:23
well customised
fishsticks 2017-03-04 14:38:28
not modded
unborn 2017-03-04 14:38:49
fishsticks: sure.. nothing against it.. but its modded
unborn 2017-03-04 14:38:53
not the same thing
