BluesKaj 2017-03-08 03:48:53
yeah , debain is too precise
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 03:49:18
give me a a minute
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 03:49:25
BluesKaj: sure
armin 2017-03-08 03:49:41
would anyone of you be so kind to gist/pastebin their /lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service file? i lost it and don't have access to a box where i got that file right now.
armin 2017-03-08 03:50:04
systemd symlink hell...
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 03:50:31
kerberos_, do you have hdmi connections and cable ?
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 03:51:17
BluesKaj: yep, I have free HDMI cable, but it's not connected to screen right now, I hate HDMI :)
bullgard4 2017-03-08 03:53:28
armin: Although I am using NetworkManager my Debian stable does not have any /lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service file.
TomTomTo1 2017-03-08 03:53:48
armin: https://paste.debian.net/plain/918755
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 03:56:04
kerberos_, hdmi might give you fewer problems without flickering, it's more mature system and the drivers are as well There won't be any difference in resolution if that's what you're concerned about.
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 03:56:43
BluesKaj: I understand, but I'm using dual boot with Win 10 so, each time I should replace cable?
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 03:57:00
BluesKaj: 4K on mDP is 60 Hz, HDMI only 30 Hz
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 03:57:01
that's all in can suggest now, I've run out of ideas
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 03:58:40
BluesKaj: thanks for your help, I will follow up on reddit (Debian) and other forums, maybe someone will figure out what is going on, where I can ask if DP 1.2 is supported officialy?
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 03:59:47
BluesKaj: I'm still 99% sure that DP 1.2 is supported, however without audio :), why I'm thinking like that? I have a collegue with same problem, DP1.1 - everything works fine, Display port 1.2 - audio not working
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 03:59:51
kerberos_,don't confuse frames /sec with hz or refresh rate , they're not the same thin atall
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 04:01:17
BluesKaj: for how long you will be here? I need to pick up my girlfriend, so I will be back within 1 hour, maybe during that time you will be able to find solution? (of course if you want and have time)
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 04:04:06
kerberos_, if DP1.2 doesn't support audio , then i 'm out of ideas
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 04:04:27
BluesKaj: I don't know, it's the reason why I'm here :)
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 04:04:53
BluesKaj: is it possible that VIrtualBox can be the root cause? Screen started blinking when I install VirtualBox
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 04:05:20
unless you have a separate speaker system that you can connect to the analog out
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 04:05:53
BluesKaj: I need to leave right now, I will be back within 1 hour, I hope that you will be still here, if not I would like to say big thank you for your help
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 04:06:05
yes, VB can cause all klinds of troubles, that's why I don't use VMs
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 04:06:38
BluesKaj: You are really kind person, want to say "awesome", see you within 1 hour (if you will be here) :)
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 04:07:02
ok , good luk
f4cl3y 2017-03-08 04:09:42
qw
gehaxelt 2017-03-08 04:15:18
hey, I have a question. I'm running debian8 and I'd like to downgrade openssh to 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u2. running apt-get install openssh-server=1:6.7p1-5+deb8u2 does not work
gehaxelt 2017-03-08 04:15:23
Is it possible? If so, how?
gehaxelt 2017-03-08 04:15:27
Thanks in advance! :)
mtn 2017-03-08 04:17:57
!downgrade
dpkg 2017-03-08 04:17:57
Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also , testing>, .
stoned 2017-03-08 04:20:49
gehaxelt: why?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:21:11
gehaxelt: what is a feature of that version which you require, and why?
jelly 2017-03-08 04:21:18
,v openssh-server
judd 2017-03-08 04:21:42
Package: openssh-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u6; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; stretch: 1:7.4p1-6; sid: 1:7.4p1-7
gehaxelt 2017-03-08 04:21:42
mtn, thanks, that's useful :)
stoned 2017-03-08 04:21:42
perhaps you can rebuilt openssh sever package how you need to? Might that help?
jelly 2017-03-08 04:21:42
dpkg, tell gehaxelt about snapshot
gehaxelt 2017-03-08 04:22:16
stoned, I'm building a vulnerable VM for an university task and I'd like to used an openssh version which is vulnerable to CVE-2015-6565
Elirips 2017-03-08 04:22:49
I have a working jessie machine, and I would like to compile things inside it, that require a newer g++. I dont want to ruin my good running jessie machine, can I somehow install another debian in it, that is more recent?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:23:24
!debootstrap
dpkg 2017-03-08 04:23:25
debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a . It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about . http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap
stoned 2017-03-08 04:23:32
Elirips: setup a chroot
jelly 2017-03-08 04:24:17
gehaxelt: you should have gotten a private message from dpkg bot
snowkrash 2017-03-08 04:24:36
Error in `ssmtp': free(): invalid pointer: what does that mean?
gehaxelt 2017-03-08 04:24:41
jelly, i see, thank you! I'll give it a try :)
snowkrash 2017-03-08 04:24:50
is ssmtp not working on debian?
Nik05 2017-03-08 04:25:02
snowkrash that there is a bug in it
Elirips 2017-03-08 04:25:03
stoned: amazing. deboostrap sid /tmp/sid/ how can i be that simple? :D
snowkrash 2017-03-08 04:25:14
ok then i will uninstall it
stoned 2017-03-08 04:25:24
more complex
stoned 2017-03-08 04:25:32
you have to bind some stuff from outside to inside
stoned 2017-03-08 04:25:38
!tell Elirips about chroot
Elirips 2017-03-08 04:25:45
stoned: I will need to access github and svn
Elirips 2017-03-08 04:25:50
from within chroot
stoned 2017-03-08 04:26:01
you'll have to install the tools in the deboostrapped system then.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:26:20
as well as outside, or you can just have them outsdie or inside the mount bind home somewhere
stoned 2017-03-08 04:26:32
my english sucks.
Elirips 2017-03-08 04:26:34
stoned: what I would like to achieve at the end is: have a cronjob that regulary builds something and places it in some directory
Elirips 2017-03-08 04:26:36
mine too
rly 2017-03-08 04:26:39
Ark in KDE doesn't work in all cases; is there something which does integrate with KDEs menus and does actually work?
lerner 2017-03-08 04:26:39
i was just suggested to use debian instead of xubuntu, because you are more privacy friendly. Is this true?
Nik05 2017-03-08 04:26:55
snowkrash what do you do that gives the pointer error?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:27:06
No idea. Maybe? Ubuntu is commercial. So maybe it has adware?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:27:09
Debian is clean.
snowkrash 2017-03-08 04:28:11
Nik05, try to send email
petn-randall 2017-03-08 04:28:30
lerner: Maybe? No idea what Canonical is doing these days.
jelly 2017-03-08 04:28:31
lerner: it's hard to say because we have no idea what specific privacy issues the other distro may have
stoned 2017-03-08 04:28:51
Commercialized linux might have ad related crap.
snowkrash 2017-03-08 04:28:51
maybe the configuration is wrong dont know
stoned 2017-03-08 04:28:51
rly: ark works just fine. You can use kde-apps website and download a reight click menu script addon for konqueror or dolphin maybe
stoned 2017-03-08 04:28:51
check inside #kde channel
Nik05 2017-03-08 04:28:51
snowkrash same as this one? Looks like an old bug... https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769020
judd 2017-03-08 04:28:51
Bug http://bugs.debian.org/769020 in ssmtp (open): «ssmtp, glibc detected, free(): invalid pointer»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-11-10; last modified: 2014-11-10.
lerner 2017-03-08 04:28:51
my notebook is an intel kaby lake 64 bits, is amd64 the imageI have to download?
rly 2017-03-08 04:28:51
stoned: no, I just made it crash.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:28:52
how about file-roller?
jelly 2017-03-08 04:28:54
lerner: yes
snowkrash 2017-03-08 04:28:57
Nik05, whats some alternative to sendmail without big setup
stoned 2017-03-08 04:28:57
,v file-roller
rly 2017-03-08 04:28:57
stoned: also crap.
judd 2017-03-08 04:28:58
Package: file-roller on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-1; jessie: 3.14.1-1; stretch: 3.22.2-2; sid: 3.22.3-1
stoned 2017-03-08 04:29:01
Hm.
snowkrash 2017-03-08 04:29:03
ssmtp seemed to be fine
stoned 2017-03-08 04:29:03
I use cli, dude.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:29:04
:D
Nik05 2017-03-08 04:29:30
snowkrash i don't know, but other probably do
rly 2017-03-08 04:29:33
stoned: rather annoying that nobody can write GUIs that do not crash.
jelly 2017-03-08 04:29:39
lerner: if you don't have wired connectivity during installation and need wireless to work, you may be better with
stoned 2017-03-08 04:29:39
w/ tab directory name/file completion, it's so easy to type a command and extract things then click and drag and all that goofyness
jelly 2017-03-08 04:29:41
!firmware images
dpkg 2017-03-08 04:29:42
Unofficial images - containing non-free Debian packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also .
stoned 2017-03-08 04:29:53
rly: eh. sucks.
rly 2017-03-08 04:29:54
stoned: thanks, indeed the cli tools do pretty much always work.
snowkrash 2017-03-08 04:29:59
just want to send via my smtp account
lerner 2017-03-08 04:30:01
jelly, with what?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:30:14
maybe there could be a ncurses interface one?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:30:14
I hav eno idea if one exists.
jelly 2017-03-08 04:30:28
lerner: ^^ see what dpkg bot said above
stoned 2017-03-08 04:30:28
I'm sure some curses file managers do that unzipping thing
stoned 2017-03-08 04:30:28
liek gentoo?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:30:34
or efm or something something
lerner 2017-03-08 04:30:44
ok...
jelly 2017-03-08 04:30:45
snowkrash: if it works and only breaks like that soemtimes, keep using it
FinalX 2017-03-08 04:30:47
"mc" ? :P
gehaxelt 2017-03-08 04:30:51
another question: It looks like jessie comes with a recent enough version of openssh. Can I simply install the one from wheezy or will it break something?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:30:53
sure, maybe mc
stoned 2017-03-08 04:30:54
:D
FinalX 2017-03-08 04:30:58
mc <3
jelly 2017-03-08 04:31:17
snowkrash: otherwise, try an alternative like msmtp-mta
rly 2017-03-08 04:31:27
How is determined whether something is fit for inclusion in Debian if it legally is all fine?
rly 2017-03-08 04:31:57
E.g., if it crashes could that be reason for exclusion? How often does that need to happen before that is the case?
rly 2017-03-08 04:32:12
Are there formalized KPIs for this? If not, why not?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:32:25
!tell rly about dfsg
jnoah 2017-03-08 04:32:35
for stretch, will debian have firfox 52?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:32:39
rly: must comply w/ debian free software guidelins and packag policy
jelly 2017-03-08 04:32:42
rly: typically, a piece of software needs to be usable, have an active upstream, and yes be dfsg compliant
bezaban 2017-03-08 04:32:47
rly: someone who will maintain and package it over time. Software should not crash, but I don't know of a policy
jelly 2017-03-08 04:33:02
rly: and someone has to want to maintain packages in debian
bezaban 2017-03-08 04:34:15
there are some examples of not so active upstreams
snowkrash 2017-03-08 04:34:15
jelly it doesnt work
snowkrash 2017-03-08 04:34:15
i try that one thanks
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 04:34:15
gehaxelt: Do not mix packages from different releases.
bezaban 2017-03-08 04:34:15
but can't think of a good example :)
stoned 2017-03-08 04:34:15
There are some packages which are not upstream maintined even, which is also fine.
rly 2017-03-08 04:34:15
Given the huge amounts of packages in Debian, I would welcome banning packages that are worse than others by some objective measure.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:34:28
O_o
snowkrash 2017-03-08 04:34:35
jelly, this does not look like a config error, right?
snowkrash 2017-03-08 04:34:41
looks like a memory leak
gehaxelt 2017-03-08 04:34:44
jhutchins_wk, ok, but how do I downgrade it if jessie does not have previous versions of it?
jelly 2017-03-08 04:34:47
rly: how much time do you spend maintaining packages in debian?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:34:56
jelly++
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 04:35:20
gehaxelt: I thought you were asking about openssh
rly 2017-03-08 04:35:24
jelly: I am counting the time of every individual/organisation which needs to install a package only to discover it sucks.
rly 2017-03-08 04:35:44
jelly: and that's a huge number.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:35:59
The only pcakges that suck are th eones who are broken or buggy in testing/sid.
petn-randall 2017-03-08 04:36:00
rly: I'm sure you've filed bug reports for all cases?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:36:03
stable is beautiful.
rly 2017-03-08 04:36:19
petn-randall: I did.
jelly 2017-03-08 04:36:34
rly: if a piece of software already in Debian is mostly unusable, a Severity: serious (or higher) bug should be filed
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 04:36:46
rly: I've managed thousands of Linux systems over the years that Just Worked.
jelly 2017-03-08 04:36:46
rly: that will keep it from being included in the next release
rly 2017-03-08 04:36:55
jelly: that's up to interpretation. In this case, when you delete a file from a zip archive using Ark, it crashes.
rly 2017-03-08 04:37:16
jelly: I think Ark is just not fit for general use until such trivial things are fixed.
rly 2017-03-08 04:37:27
jelly: e.g. this would never happen at Microsoft.
jelly 2017-03-08 04:37:30
rly: that's not "unusable for most users", that's just a "buggy when you do this specific thing"
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 04:37:43
rly: That is completely untrue.
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 04:37:55
rly: Besides which, zip isn't a Microsoft product.
babilen 2017-03-08 04:37:55
(and absolutely irrelevant)
rly 2017-03-08 04:38:11
jhutchins_wk: what is untrue?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:38:18
rly: on stable jessie, it doesn't make it crash on my side.
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 04:38:38
rly: Microsoft platforms have all kinds of problem.
rly 2017-03-08 04:38:44
stoned: highly doubtful. Are you saying that you offer USD 100K if I make it crash on stable?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:38:57
Knock it off, dude.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:39:02
you're trying our patience.
rly 2017-03-08 04:39:51
stoned: so, not 100K, then how much?
rly 2017-03-08 04:40:16
You ascribe properties to stable, which it doesn't have.
rly 2017-03-08 04:40:16
I have no doubt that "cat" works in stable.
petn-randall 2017-03-08 04:40:16
rly: Do you have a support question?
jelly 2017-03-08 04:40:16
rly: can you reproduce this bug in every case?
jelly 2017-03-08 04:40:40
rly: also, did you look at whether it was fixed after jessie, eg. in stretch?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:41:29
It works. I just deleted /log/ out of the PokeMMMO rpg zip file in ark. Ark
stoned 2017-03-08 04:41:29
Version 2.19
rly 2017-03-08 04:41:33
jelly: I have no doubt that I can do that, given sufficient motivation. I am however of the opinion that broken software was created by a broken process and hence there is no point in fixing individual bugs.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:42:34
No problem in ark, amd64 jessie.
rly 2017-03-08 04:43:47
Anyway, this exact response is exactly what the problem is.
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 04:43:54
unp can decompress most files
jelly 2017-03-08 04:43:54
rly: so you don't have enough motivation to see if it was fixed in newer version, but you think the process is broken without that check?
rly 2017-03-08 04:43:55
jelly: the Debian process is fine; it's the author of this piece of software.
rly 2017-03-08 04:44:18
jelly: and perhaps the policy that Debian accepts software which is not fit for production.
jelly 2017-03-08 04:44:23
rly: you did not even check whether the current version has that bug.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:44:31
try bugs.kde.org
rly 2017-03-08 04:44:32
jelly: how is that even relevant?
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 04:44:33
stretch here, no problems so far
stoned 2017-03-08 04:44:37
search on that one, for ark bugs
rly 2017-03-08 04:44:41
jelly: and no, the bug doesn't exist yet.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:44:47
see if 4.19 has that bug listed
rly 2017-03-08 04:44:51
jelly: many others do, though.
Dice-Man 2017-03-08 04:45:15
hello how can i know on which repos is a packet ?
petn-randall 2017-03-08 04:45:21
rly: Wait, so you're complaining about a bug, that wasn't reported, you don't want to test if it is fixed in newer versions, and you complain about the process?
rly 2017-03-08 04:45:22
The process is the development process, which includes a complete lack of testing, for example.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:45:24
Dice-Man: apt-cache policy
