jelly 2017-03-08 04:45:30
rly: if you think there's process issue, you probably want to confirm that by looking at more than one point in the process
petn-randall 2017-03-08 04:45:32
rly: I think the process is completely broken.
petn-randall 2017-03-08 04:45:38
rly: It's called PEBKAC.
rly 2017-03-08 04:45:56
petn-randall: interesting; the software crashes, and I did it.
mtn 2017-03-08 04:45:58
Dice-Man: http://packages.debian.org
jelly 2017-03-08 04:46:33
rly: otherwise, you have a single data point and you can't draw any conclusions from that
rly 2017-03-08 04:47:09
jelly: I am familiar with how Ark is developed.
armin 2017-03-08 04:47:14
can i somehow let network-manager execute an arbitrary command after successfully connecting to a specific wifi?
Dice-Man 2017-03-08 04:47:35
stoned: well it says cannot find packet :(
stoned 2017-03-08 04:47:52
http://www.peazip.org/peazip-linux.html
jelly 2017-03-08 04:47:54
rly: but you're apparently not familiar with the concept of "trying a newer version"
stoned 2017-03-08 04:48:03
rly: check peazip for linux
Dice-Man 2017-03-08 04:48:12
i'm trying to configure /etc/apt/source.list but i cannot figure how doest run
stoned 2017-03-08 04:48:13
get your stuff unzipped, then get your work done
Dice-Man 2017-03-08 04:48:14
*doest it work
stoned 2017-03-08 04:48:33
!tell Dice-Man about sources.list
mtn 2017-03-08 04:48:42
Dice-Man: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
jelly 2017-03-08 04:48:50
rly: in any case, if there's no bug report in Debian, don't expect a fix
jelly 2017-03-08 04:49:12
dpkg, tell rly about reportbug
jelly 2017-03-08 04:49:28
dpkg, tell rly about bts
stoned 2017-03-08 04:49:44
https://code.google.com/archive/p/k7z/wikis/Screenshots.wiki
stoned 2017-03-08 04:49:50
Another unzipper gui in linu
rly 2017-03-08 04:49:51
jelly: if the goal would be to make Debian better, why *not* add optional tracking to every package. That way, there would be data on how often things crash per operation, etc.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:50:09
nice context menu in kde
rly 2017-03-08 04:50:35
stoned: yes, this is useful, but it won't fix the general problem of Debian shipping low-quality packages.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:50:48
rly: it doesn't, and that's not a problem.
jelly 2017-03-08 04:50:48
rly: if there's no bug report in Debian, don't expect a fix
stoned 2017-03-08 04:50:51
Knock it off.
jelly 2017-03-08 04:51:24
there's no general problem, all I see is someone annoyed with one particular upstream, and taking it to one particular distro
stoned 2017-03-08 04:51:45
It seems you are more interested in discussing something you definitely don't want to do anything about, so basically just complaining b/c something crashed, and now it's become a point of argument for you. Needless.
rly 2017-03-08 04:52:07
stoned: there are specialized companies which provide crash reports for JavaScript applications. These companies do have customers. Why would you say that Debian is different?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:52:11
I see no real reason for this conversation, psychologically. Your rason for why you're complaining also does not escape us. Why jelly is continuing to humor you is beyond me.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:52:14
anyway.
rly 2017-03-08 04:53:47
I am going to guess that if Google were to offer a patch with full analytics for every program in Debian for *free* with free maintenance, that you would accept it.
rly 2017-03-08 04:54:03
(Optional, of course.)
rly 2017-03-08 04:54:19
I am not sure why you think it's a good idea to hold on to positions which are not rational.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:54:24
Hypotheticals of this nature of a waste of time.
rly 2017-03-08 04:54:39
You said that you didn't need it a minute ago.
rly 2017-03-08 04:54:50
And now you say it is a hypothetical waste of time.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:55:01
You really just want to talk/argue, eh?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:55:02
:)
stoned 2017-03-08 04:55:07
Not on my time.
rly 2017-03-08 04:55:07
Don't argue positions you cannot defend.
jelly 2017-03-08 04:55:14
rly: this isn't the right place to propose feature additions to debian, it's a channel for tech support of specific issues
rly 2017-03-08 04:55:33
jelly: OK, thanks for the help.
compass_ 2017-03-08 04:55:38
debian hangs when powering off on shutdown - i need to manually hold down power button on laptop to shut down computer
compass_ 2017-03-08 04:55:40
anyway around this?
jelly 2017-03-08 04:55:46
rly: if you want to see a feature like that, volunteer your time making it so
jelly 2017-03-08 04:56:02
or pay someone to do it
FinalX 2017-03-08 04:56:14
and I'm not usually the one saying it, but if you don't like the way Debian is, there's plenty of distributions to go around. If you don't want to move away from Debian, feel free to contribute :p
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 04:56:25
compass_: That's an issue that comes up occasionally. Not sure if there's a generic fix for it. What release, what desktop, what hardware?
stoned 2017-03-08 04:56:49
hey, I got a proton mail! :D sorry just got noticd. :D
stoned 2017-03-08 04:57:07
FinalX: I have tried EVERY distro (mainline) out there. Always back to debian I come
stoned 2017-03-08 04:57:18
Same with code editors. Tried em all, alays come back to netbeans.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:57:46
yeah, well. nerd!
compass_ 2017-03-08 04:57:47
3.16 686. crunchbang++. old fujitsu siemans laptop, core2duo and 1.5gb ram
stoned 2017-03-08 04:57:48
:D
compass_ 2017-03-08 04:58:33
apart from the shutdown thing, really sweet os and runs efficiently
rly 2017-03-08 04:58:52
Nobody has tried every distro; not even everything listed on distrowatch.com.
jelly 2017-03-08 04:58:56
compass_: crunchbang?
rly 2017-03-08 04:58:59
You might have tried "a lot".
stoned 2017-03-08 04:59:24
Since 1994 to 2017. That's a lot of year to try distros.
stoned 2017-03-08 04:59:38
many distros. Many debians since 2001
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 04:59:43
!crunchbang
dpkg 2017-03-08 04:59:43
CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on , now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See .
stoned 2017-03-08 04:59:45
all the ubuntus
jelly 2017-03-08 04:59:52
rly, stoned: let's keep the comments in here to specific suggestions about a particular issue, please
jelly 2017-03-08 05:04:47
you want to nitpick about word meanings, there's #debian-offtopic
Dice-Man 2017-03-08 05:04:58
aptitude install or apt-get install what suits well with the system ?
jelly 2017-03-08 05:04:58
!why aptitude
dpkg 2017-03-08 05:04:58
aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see ). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. squeeze>, wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9.
jelly 2017-03-08 05:04:58
!why not aptitude
dpkg 2017-03-08 05:04:58
Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than , the interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of 's former exclusive features are now available in as well. Ask me about and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9.
Dice-Man 2017-03-08 05:04:58
ok thanks
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 05:04:58
BluesKaj: are you here :)?
snowkrash 2017-03-08 05:04:58
is installing ZNC irc bouncer a security risk?
petn-randall 2017-03-08 05:04:58
...
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 05:04:58
There's also apt now.
jelly 2017-03-08 05:04:58
snowkrash: each and every piece of software, esp. those that do network connections, are a risk of some kind
snowkrash 2017-03-08 05:04:58
sure
petn-randall 2017-03-08 05:04:58
snowkrash: If all your questions are going to be "Is X a security risk?", we're going to have a long day here. :)
snowkrash 2017-03-08 05:05:05
hehe
snowkrash 2017-03-08 05:05:09
yeah
jelly 2017-03-08 05:05:10
snowkrash: running them is usually a bit more risky than just installing
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 05:05:17
snowkrash: Anything that exposes a service to external networks is a risk.
snowkrash 2017-03-08 05:05:23
i know
snowkrash 2017-03-08 05:05:31
but well you know it better in detail
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 05:06:03
snowkrash: Check for CVEs on that package, check development discussions.
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 05:06:09
kerberos_, yes, but I don't think I can help much futher, other than some of connection changes i suggested
snowkrash 2017-03-08 05:06:13
ok i will
jelly 2017-03-08 05:06:13
znc isn't that good with CVE assigning
stoned 2017-03-08 05:06:25
irssi scrreen and irssi proxy
petn-randall 2017-03-08 05:06:27
snowkrash: If it's usually connected to the internet, the risk is likely acceptable (web servers, mail servers, irc bouncers, etc.) if you configure them correctly. Just don't run things like databases or samba on the internet.
stoned 2017-03-08 05:06:27
works well.
jelly 2017-03-08 05:06:34
it's usually "run the very latest upstream has, or they'll hate you"
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 05:06:45
BluesKaj: sure, now I'm using mini display port, I will check HDMI and standard DIsplay Port :)
jelly 2017-03-08 05:06:50
they even mock Debian in #znc topic
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 05:06:54
BluesKaj: thx man, have a great day!
snowkrash 2017-03-08 05:07:03
petn-randall, yes i dont do, i use samba only temporary in the LAN
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 05:07:17
kerberos_, ok , good luck
snowkrash 2017-03-08 05:07:26
and turn it off afterwards
ychaouche 2017-03-08 05:07:31
Hello #debian
kerberos_ 2017-03-08 05:07:40
Folks, if anyone of you have time and desire - there is interesting topic - https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/5y7l0v/annoying_screen_blinking/ :) any comments are appreciate!
tharkun 2017-03-08 05:07:42
Good $DAY, under /run/user there are several subdirs with the system user id. When is that tmpfs directory created?
jelly 2017-03-08 05:08:04
tharkun: when you log in
jelly 2017-03-08 05:08:29
part of some systemd session keeping functionality
tharkun 2017-03-08 05:08:49
jelly: Is that a done with root privilidges or can a regular user make that subdirectory?
jelly 2017-03-08 05:09:21
tharkun: you tell me, what are the permissions on its parent /run/user
jelly 2017-03-08 05:09:54
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 60 Mar 8 07:37 /run/user
tharkun 2017-03-08 05:09:54
jelly: :)
ychaouche 2017-03-08 05:10:52
guys, I am trying to get log lines in my syslog file with the logger command but I can't see them
ychaouche 2017-03-08 05:11:03
I'm on debian 8.5
mandeep_ 2017-03-08 05:11:23
is there a torrent for the nonfree live cd? all i can find are http isos
ychaouche 2017-03-08 05:11:33
logger "hello syslog ?" should display something like "Mar 8 17:03:10 ychaouche-PC ychaouche: hello"
ychaouche 2017-03-08 05:11:43
but it's not there
jelly 2017-03-08 05:12:00
ychaouche: by default, logger uses the user facility. Is your syslog configured to log user.* to that file?
tharkun 2017-03-08 05:12:10
precisely. So if I don't log in I don't have it created. Is there any other place debian has a tmpfs that I can tap into it. Like a place similar /tmp but with a tmpfs mounted filesystem?
jelly 2017-03-08 05:12:37
tharkun: you can make /tmp a tmpfs if you want
jelly 2017-03-08 05:12:49
tharkun: what's the goal?
tharkun 2017-03-08 05:13:15
speed an hdd intesive process by having a ramdisk do the heavy lifting.
tharkun 2017-03-08 05:13:23
lots of writes and overwrites.
ychaouche 2017-03-08 05:13:25
jelly: I don't know how to check that
tharkun 2017-03-08 05:13:45
ychaouche: man logger then grep all the available files in /var/log ;P
ychaouche 2017-03-08 05:14:03
I am reading /etc/rsyslog.conf
jelly 2017-03-08 05:14:09
ychaouche: figure out which syslog daemon you're using (it's rsyslog by default) and how it's configured (/etc/rsyslog.conf, by default)
ychaouche 2017-03-08 05:14:17
I think I begin to understand what jelly was talking about
ychaouche 2017-03-08 05:15:07
user.* -/var/log/user.log
jelly 2017-03-08 05:15:11
ychaouche: right
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 05:15:12
ychaouche: I haven't used it in years, but I think you have to specify a timestamp option and what facility you're logging to, as well as log level.
ychaouche 2017-03-08 05:15:23
jhutchins_wk: not in mint
mtn 2017-03-08 05:15:37
mandeep_: if you are planning on installing, don't use the live disk. use the netinstall or dvd 1
jelly 2017-03-08 05:15:42
jhutchins_wk: "man logger" will tell them the default facility and priority, it's "user.notice"
ychaouche 2017-03-08 05:15:44
mint is based on ubuntu which is based on debian so I guess not, but that's just a guess.
jelly 2017-03-08 05:15:55
ychaouche: mint is not debian, tho
tharkun 2017-03-08 05:15:59
jelly: setting tmp as tmpfs will drain too many resources on the server. I need to do this on a very limited scale.
tharkun 2017-03-08 05:16:13
ychaouche: The devil is in the details.
ychaouche 2017-03-08 05:16:28
jelly: I only have user.log under /var/log and it's empty.
jelly 2017-03-08 05:16:29
tharkun: go abuse /dev/shm then, what do I care!
tharkun 2017-03-08 05:16:53
jelly: Thanks for you encouraging comments. :)
jelly 2017-03-08 05:16:55
ychaouche: is a syslog service running at all?
ychaouche 2017-03-08 05:17:11
yeah I have postfix logs right there in syslog
jelly 2017-03-08 05:17:32
tharkun: do you have an unprivileged service doing some stuff or what?
ychaouche 2017-03-08 05:17:44
service rsyslog status says service active.
mandeep_ 2017-03-08 05:17:50
mtn: how do i know that the install will work?
tharkun 2017-03-08 05:18:03
Yes, that is my isue. I need to figure how to do the mount as an unprivilidged user so I can speed things up.
mtn 2017-03-08 05:18:25
mandeep_: only one way to find out. what are you worried about? video? wifi?
mandeep_ 2017-03-08 05:18:33
mtn: ethernet
mtn 2017-03-08 05:18:52
mandeep_: almost always works. didn't the normal live disk work?
mandeep_ 2017-03-08 05:18:57
mtn: no
jelly 2017-03-08 05:19:09
tharkun: sudo privileges on "mount /var/lib/yourapp/tmp" ?
mandeep_ 2017-03-08 05:19:12
mtn: it gave an error regarding the realtek ethernet
mtn 2017-03-08 05:19:28
mandeep_: ok. download the non-free netinstall and test. it will check your net connection right away, so no harm will come of it.
mandeep_ 2017-03-08 05:19:37
mtn: alright thanks
tharkun 2017-03-08 05:19:47
jelly: good Idea thanks :)
jnoah 2017-03-08 05:20:03
for stretch, will debian have firfox 52?
jelly 2017-03-08 05:21:03
tharkun: but if you have root access at install time, you could just make a fstab entry and make it a permanent mount point
jelly 2017-03-08 05:21:23
jnoah: if that's the next ESR, then most likely yes
jelly 2017-03-08 05:22:58
jnoah: jessie will soon have 52esr too, probably, not much life left for 45esr https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/
tharkun 2017-03-08 05:24:20
jelly: Thanks that is a better Idea.
jelly 2017-03-08 05:25:48
tharkun: I'd probably ask in #systemd if they invented some newfangled way to magically bring up a custom tmpfs on start of a service and destory it on shut down
compass_ 2017-03-08 05:26:06
wistron_btns module was causing shutdown hang so blacklisted it and shutdown/reboot works without a hitch
jelly 2017-03-08 05:26:09
sounds halfway useful
jelly 2017-03-08 05:26:19
!win compass_
dpkg 2017-03-08 05:26:19
Congratulations, compass_! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro!
compass_ 2017-03-08 05:26:36
lol :D
compass_ 2017-03-08 05:26:59
so all 3 issues sorted today, both cores now being used, wifi no longer hard blocked and shutdown works
compass_ 2017-03-08 05:27:01
thanks guys!
petn-randall 2017-03-08 05:27:12
compass_: yay \o/
compass_ 2017-03-08 05:27:25
cheers petn-randall
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 05:27:44
another satisfied customer :-)
teraflops 2017-03-08 05:30:43
!next
dpkg 2017-03-08 05:30:44
Another happy customer leaves the building.
compass_ 2017-03-08 05:31:49
still here ;)
teraflops 2017-03-08 05:32:11
!prev
compass_ 2017-03-08 05:32:29
haha
jelly 2017-03-08 05:34:11
compass_: now file an installation report with all the workarounds!
compass_ 2017-03-08 05:34:11
sure, where do i start
jelly 2017-03-08 05:34:11
!install report
dpkg 2017-03-08 05:34:11
somebody said installation report was http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#submit-bug
jelly 2017-03-08 05:34:11
compass_: or maybe a https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/ article
unborn 2017-03-08 05:36:07
!releases
dpkg 2017-03-08 05:36:07
See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases for prior releases. Ask me about , , and .
unborn 2017-03-08 05:37:39
actually, been testing stretch on my spare machine and I love it, past 4 days I did not had any issues or crashes.. is it safe to use it as main os laptop/desktop - i know it was not yet released, just asking those who know..
unborn 2017-03-08 05:37:41
thanks
jelly 2017-03-08 05:38:40
if it breaks tomorrow or a week from now, don't complain too much
tw 2017-03-08 05:38:42
As long as you have another machine to actually do work on if something breaks...
unborn 2017-03-08 05:39:06
thanks guys
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 05:43:30
unborn, been on stretch for week, no problems , but my setup is for a home user , no PIM apps ot email databases required etc
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 05:43:59
latest Pavillion install report (see above) is 2015.
BluesKaj 2017-03-08 05:43:59
BBL
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 05:46:42
tw: You can also multi-boot with Stable for fallback.
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 05:47:56
tw: Nice thing about that is you can fix/update in chroot.
tomg2 2017-03-08 05:47:56
people use testing/stretch as their main machine all the time, probably since testing started its existence in 2000 or so
tomg2 2017-03-08 05:47:56
Debian testing is probably better than anything else "release" ;)
tomg2 2017-03-08 05:47:56
well, except maybe Linux Mind Debian Edition 2. LMDE is pretty good
unborn 2017-03-08 05:47:56
BluesKaj: I run everything virtually (dev works etc) except git.. currently its my 5th day on stretch on that testing machine and hopefully it will not break for any reason, if not within a month I may switch earlier. I was just asking here as I know some folks love it as well. but as jelly and tw noted out here, I would rather wait a bit..
tomg2 2017-03-08 05:47:56
Mint.
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 05:47:56
I've seen testing have some major breakage in freeze. That's when they address major problems and take the time to get the fix right instead of just bandaiding it.
tomg2 2017-03-08 05:47:56
so noted.
jelly 2017-03-08 05:47:56
and testing right after a release is a very interesting place to be
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 05:47:56
As long as you have a way to snapshot the machine before each upgrade you can keep it working.
petn-randall 2017-03-08 05:47:56
!debian weather
dpkg 2017-03-08 05:47:56
https://qa.debian.org/dose/
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 05:50:02
petn-randall: Nice.
unborn 2017-03-08 05:50:40
tomg2: you should try debian it self. I stopped using lmde back in 2009? it was jack shit back days not because of de or because it was build on ubuntu base but coz it suxs a very badly. many devs left since then.
tomg2 2017-03-08 05:51:30
I'm using testing now
unborn 2017-03-08 05:53:56
*and clem is evil ;)
compass_ 2017-03-08 05:59:26
jelly dpkg - wouldn't let me start a wiki page with my email address so i sent the report to wiki@debian.org and let them know. hopefully they'll post it
jelly 2017-03-08 06:00:32
last time I tried to get a password reset for that wiki I got a 500 internal error, and a bug report filed a year ago with same issue
compass_ 2017-03-08 06:01:50
jeez
tomg2 2017-03-08 06:25:07
clem's nice though :o
tomg2 2017-03-08 06:25:10
nevermind
jhutchins_wk 2017-03-08 06:26:24
That probably explains why the reports are generally pretty old.
