#debian channel featuring julius, vita_cell2, sefru, r0ck, jtty, oiaohm,

jtty 2017-02-28 19:46:11

is there a web site like pastebin where i can upload screen captures temporarily?

r0ck 2017-02-28 19:47:19

imgur.com

r0ck 2017-02-28 19:47:20

?

jtty 2017-02-28 19:47:27

that works thank you

jtty 2017-02-28 19:47:35

can you delete the picturse you upload to imgur.com?

r0ck 2017-02-28 19:47:56

if you have registered acc there

jtty 2017-02-28 19:48:03

great, thank you

jim 2017-02-28 19:52:09

can overlayfs be used with jessie's default kernel?

jim 2017-02-28 20:04:20

nm my overlayfs question, found that the answer is it requires some pretty extensive changes

julius 2017-02-28 20:28:38

says here: http://hands.com/d-i/ that you can choose auto at the install prompt with various parameters to automatically install a machine. looks like on could also set: auto-install/enable to true...but where on the iso image?

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 20:28:45

guys, why do I need non-free firmware for ati 9600pro for enable 3d render?

julius 2017-02-28 20:29:08

manufactors dont give out information about their stuff willingly

julius 2017-02-28 20:29:27

so, you need parts of the driver as binary file where nobody knows what it does....

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 20:29:58

it is clearly supposed that only R500 (from HD2400) and above need microcode

julius 2017-02-28 20:30:23

or maybe nobody wrote a free driver

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 20:30:53

I can not understand how and why those GPUs worked years ago without non-free microcode

julius 2017-02-28 20:31:34

ah ok, the isseu is deeper...sorry cant help you there

oiaohm 2017-02-28 20:32:03

vita_cell2: most cases they did not. Firmware for gpu use not to be signed so it was replaceable.

oiaohm 2017-02-28 20:32:36

vita_cell2: and if you did not load a firmware it just resulted in running the firmware in rom that could be outdated.

oiaohm 2017-02-28 20:33:38

vita_cell2: mostly you were using non free firmware in most cases and not noticing.

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 20:34:02

oiaohm all Nvidia GPUs before Maxwell v2 (gtx900 series) has no microcode outside the eeprom-rom

julius 2017-02-28 20:34:12

stallman would tip over at this point

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 20:34:55

all documentations (including gentoo's) that only R500 and abode ati card need microcode, this is what I can not understand

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 20:35:08

*above

oiaohm 2017-02-28 20:36:46

vita_cell2: the thing is if it eeprom-rom you were still using it. So any hidden security flaw there you are still exposed to it.

jtty 2017-02-28 20:36:54

What's a rubbity dib dab?

oiaohm 2017-02-28 20:39:09

vita_cell2: some of it was cost reduction by reducing the size of eeprom on the cards.

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 20:40:30

oiaohm thanks for your help, here is no solution, I will buy used agp Nvidia card better

oiaohm 2017-02-28 20:41:14

vita_cell2: even the newer nvidia cards require firmware to function completely.

sefru 2017-02-28 20:41:31

Hi! =) I would have a question. I do programming with c++, and I'm just wondering that when you install the developement files of some library, is there a handy way of getting the name you need to use to link to that library in the makefile?

sefru 2017-02-28 20:41:41

I hope that the question was clear enough. :D

sefru 2017-02-28 20:41:52

I often times find myself stuck programming just beacuse I'm trying to quess the right name to link with.

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 20:41:58

yeah, HATE IT! I run fine my gtx770 4gb with reclocking, with no microcodes

oiaohm 2017-02-28 20:42:32

vita_cell2: not exactly gtx770 was not signed so it could be reversed and replaced.

oiaohm 2017-02-28 20:42:43

vita_cell2: so you are still using a microcode.

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 20:42:55

inside the epprom-rom-spi

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 20:42:59

yes

oiaohm 2017-02-28 20:43:48

vita_cell2: you do have cases of hte epprom-rom editions on different cards with Nvidia being the source of graphical glitches.

oiaohm 2017-02-28 20:44:30

vita_cell2: the reality is closed firmware is basically part of using hardware that is not open specification.

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 20:44:55

I still prefer microcode inside the rom

#debian channel featuring AnonDol, usersiis, neoweb, dpkg, judd, Shadow_7,

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:45:14

vita_cell2: also... grep \(EE\) /var/log/Xorg.0.log

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:45:45

Also for \(WW\)

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:46:27

vita_cell2: radeon driver, direct rendering: yes... you should be accelerated

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:46:51

no, 3d applications even won't run

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:47:13

vita_cell2: like $ glxgears -info

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:47:47

vita_cell2: perhaps you're missing freeglut3

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:48:15

didn't stop one game I play from running, but had extra pixels with it installed.

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:49:03

vita_cell2: for java, you might need the jogl packages, aka java open GL.

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:49:38

libjogl2-*

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:51:03

Shadow_7

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:51:04

http://dpaste.com/0X2Y50K

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:51:10

glxgears runs fine

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:51:15

vita_cell2: 3D apps should run, that's what mesa provides, software bits for 3D needs.

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:51:43

but it is software 3d rendering, so, my ati doewn't the work

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:53:36

There's always partian 3D in software. The (EE) stuff is odd. Are you not using a distro provided kernel?

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:54:20

drm for radeon burped. ...reverting to software... so slower, but should still function

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:55:21

Stuff like that happens if kernel, X, and mesa come from not distro packaged means. Or you're missing jessie-updates in your sources.list

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:56:09

dpkg sources.list

dpkg 2017-02-28 18:56:09

A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see and "man sources.list".

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:56:16

Shadow_7 it is default kernel, it it 8.7 Debian with powerpc64 kernel

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:56:35

Is it a powerPC computer?

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:56:46

macintosh? hackintosh?

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:57:02

PowerMac7,3 G5 2004

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:57:26

I wouldn't expect much 3D acceleration from a 2004 computer

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:57:31

it is great machine, 2 CPUs and 8gb of ram

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:57:46

Or at least a 2004 GPU

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:58:05

I know, but it is ati 9600 pro with 256mb, still great for most free software games

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:58:40

so is it ati who works with 3d or CPU?

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:59:32

half and half? mesa kicks in when the hardware doesn't provide a function. But (EE) in Xorg.0.log might need some investigating.

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 19:00:06

that's direct render stuff, not digital rights

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 19:00:55

so what should I do?

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 19:01:17

google those lines from your logs

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 19:01:17

what happening with that? something is bugged right?

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 19:01:18

ok

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 19:01:22

You're probably not the only one with the issue

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 19:01:36

drm didn't like something

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 19:01:52

hope mesa devs fix that in the next builds for powerpc

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 19:01:55

Might need some fancy stuff like a different kernel.

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 19:02:28

anyway ubuntu12.04 LTS I had it worse, no 3d

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 19:03:14

When I first used my RPi B, raspbian didn't have software 3D. So I ran debian armel on that for the first year-ish

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 19:04:16

had to have my 11 fps glxgears... :)

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 19:04:39

now that raspbian has 3D, it gets 17 fps

usersiis 2017-02-28 19:07:51

what is going on?

neoweb 2017-02-28 19:15:08

found it

neoweb 2017-02-28 19:15:09

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=816090

judd 2017-02-28 19:15:38

Bug http://bugs.debian.org/816090 in console-setup (closed, patch): «console-setup: does not avoid waiting for $remote_fs during early boot»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-27; last modified: 2016-04-06.

AnonDol 2017-02-28 19:16:32

ll

AnonDol 2017-02-28 19:16:49

w u

neoweb 2017-02-28 19:21:24

hmm

neoweb 2017-02-28 19:21:27

$local_fs

neoweb 2017-02-28 19:21:31

or blank...fixed it.

neoweb 2017-02-28 19:21:35

peace out

#debian channel featuring judd, Shadow_7, vita_cell2, devslash, neoweb,

devslash 2017-02-28 18:07:15

has anyone here set up wpa cpnnection using wicd ?

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:11:24

done that with dhclient and dhcpcd

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:14:44

guys I need help with debian, one question, I am on default repositories, I have no 3d acceleration with ati9600pro, I already tryed KVM modesetting enabling and disabling

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:15:15

also tryed downgrading mesa to 10.1.3-1

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:16:20

it is supposed that ati GPUs before R500 series son't neet microcode

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:20:17

vita_cell2: is the user in the video group?

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:21:15

hmmmm probably not, I just used standart Debian install 8.7 jessie

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:21:38

if not then only root has 3D acceleration

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:22:06

only 3d acceleration is missing, other thing work great

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:22:12

I will try root right now

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:22:16

vita_cell2: $ groups

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:22:37

vita_cell2: glxinfo | grep -i direct

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:22:58

might need mesa-utils to have that

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:25:25

Shadow_7 glxinfo opengl render is software only, with root user

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:25:44

still 3d ati render is missing

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:26:05

vita_cell2: so SGI vender for the GL stuff?

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:26:33

vita_cell2: and $ lsmod | grep -i radeon

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:26:37

but "direct render: yes"

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:26:45

wait a bit

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:26:49

yes == accelerated

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:27:04

vita_cell2: fps is capped at 60 by default

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:27:05

wait, I going to dpaste

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:27:23

vita_cell2: use the paste.debian.org or whatever equiv sites

neoweb 2017-02-28 18:27:51

Is there a way to fix this: http://pastebin.com/TzM2b5G6

neoweb 2017-02-28 18:28:10

If I start console-setup and kbd my tty lights right up.

neoweb 2017-02-28 18:28:28

gry Shadow_7 I was afk.

neoweb 2017-02-28 18:28:46

The display-manager is not the issue from what I have read already.

neoweb 2017-02-28 18:29:17

Is that something wants two things up at once that cannot possibly be up at the same time.

neoweb 2017-02-28 18:29:59

But systemd is hacked in because there are still init scripts.

neoweb 2017-02-28 18:30:21

it basically is happening because I have a cifs share in my fstab on this one.

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:30:46

None of that seem like errors to me. Booting is messy. As long as the end result is desire-able.

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:31:36

Shadow_7

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:31:37

http://dpaste.com/1CJRC4T

neoweb 2017-02-28 18:32:09

Shadow_7, those are some of the same things other people are saying but when kbd and console-setup do not come up correctly it never sets the console up right.

neoweb 2017-02-28 18:32:22

So no console until I ssh in and fix it.

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:33:10

vita_cell2: dpkg-divert --list

neoweb 2017-02-28 18:34:20

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763315

judd 2017-02-28 18:34:21

Bug http://bugs.debian.org/763315 in rpcbind (closed, jessie, patch): «systemd: Dependency loop between basic.target, nfs-common, rpcbind,...»; severity: important; opened: 2014-09-29; last modified: 2016-12-07.

neoweb 2017-02-28 18:34:32

that is nfs but the same thing happens with cifs.

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:35:22

vita_cell2: might have nvidia libGL or something odd. and it should have been lsmod | grep -i radeon

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:36:00

Shadow_7

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:36:01

http://dpaste.com/0R2T0E8

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:37:30

vita_cell2: is libgl1-mesa-glx installed? and libdrm-radeon1 plus xserver-xorg-radeon

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:39:00

Shadow_7 yes, it is installed and downgraded to 10.1.3

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:39:06

but still no 3d

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:41:07

why downgraded? 10.3.2-1 for me

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:41:38

some compiled version with some fixes for ati

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:41:44

but still same thing

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:42:13

those fixes carry on to higher versions

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 18:43:00

Have you even rebooted since you made the modification? X has to restart at a min to grab new _drv.so stuffs

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:44:24

yeas, reboot obviously

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:44:57

Shadow_7

vita_cell2 2017-02-28 18:44:57

http://dpaste.com/26QT628

#debian channel featuring Shadow_7, gry, neoweb,

neoweb 2017-02-28 16:51:18

Is there a way to fix this: http://pastebin.com/TzM2b5G6

neoweb 2017-02-28 16:51:22

?

gry 2017-02-28 17:00:10

neoweb: is this the only symptom you see?

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 17:19:39

It exists on my system and is a symlink to /lib/systemd/system/lightdm.service ...linked from... /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 17:20:07

neoweb: you probably need to install a display manager to have it exist

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 17:20:47

tbh, I normally wouldn't have that. But I installed lxde to help answer someones question.

#debian channel featuring doubledutch, Shadow_7, neoweb, somiaj,

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 15:45:19

Hmmm... no longer have SVGAtextmode...

doubledutch 2017-02-28 15:45:20

somiaj: I am using frambuffer currently.

doubledutch 2017-02-28 15:45:29

256 MB ram on this client.

somiaj 2017-02-28 15:46:15

doubledutch: sure they are still there, but most the drivers are now kms, and i think you have to disable modesetting to get the traditional framebuffer drivers (though kms drivers emulate framebuffers) -- though maybe my understanding is a bit off.

doubledutch 2017-02-28 15:46:53

somiaj: Ah, gotcha, off to read, thanks

neoweb 2017-02-28 16:08:41

that somiaj Shadow_7 doubledutch

neoweb 2017-02-28 16:08:43

thanks*

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 16:11:34

SVGAtextmode was nice back in the day. Could change console resolution and fonts without having X.

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 16:11:59

Although 90% chance that you'd just mess up your screen by using it.

#debian channel featuring Eszett__, somiaj, gnat_x, neoweb, lf94_, Shadow_7,

Eszett__ 2017-02-28 14:54:43

Hi! I have a lil question, how can I install the "GCC ARM embedded" toolchain with sudo manager on my Debian? I've tried with "sudo apt-get install gcc-arm-embedded" but it's somehow wrong :-(

gnat_x 2017-02-28 14:59:42

Eszett__: that's definitely not a package. perhaps you mean one of these: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=all&keywords=gcc+arm+embedded

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 15:00:22

only seeing packages in jessie for gcc-4.9-arm-linux-gnueabi gcc-4.9-arm-linux-gnueabihf gcc-arm-none-eabi

Eszett__ 2017-02-28 15:00:37

Hi gnat, guess so ye.. so the correct command is "sudo apt-get install gcc-arm-none eabi" right?

Eszett__ 2017-02-28 15:01:14

gcc-arm-none-eabi .. Ye, that package is already installed here

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 15:02:06

Eszett__: seems to provice /usr/bin/arm-none-eabi-gcc

Eszett__ 2017-02-28 15:02:53

ye

lf94_ 2017-02-28 15:26:09

I have totally destroyed the font system on my debian installation, in an attempt to rid of infinality. How do I fix it?

neoweb 2017-02-28 15:32:28

does debian change the framebuffer on start

neoweb 2017-02-28 15:32:33

why does the font change?

neoweb 2017-02-28 15:40:08

hmm

neoweb 2017-02-28 15:40:11

this is intresting

neoweb 2017-02-28 15:40:11

Found dependency on console-setup.service/start

somiaj 2017-02-28 15:44:29

neoweb: framebuffers are more a thing of the past, everything seems to be kms drivers (which emulate framebuffers). If a kms driver is loaded it will change the console.

#debian channel featuring rjsalts, lf94_, stoned, missmbob, peterS, Shadow_7,

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:49:16

peterS: ah, yes, dhclient[331]: Can't bind to dhcp address: Cannot assign requested address in systemctl status networking.service

lf94_ 2017-02-28 13:50:16

I have totally destroyed the font system on my debian installation, in an attempt to rid of infinality. How do I fix it?

lf94_ 2017-02-28 13:50:43

I think I still didn't get rid of it

peterS 2017-02-28 13:51:00

rjsalts: I do have to question the documentation page you've got there. Not only do they have an ipv6 'netmask' line that I hadn't seen before, they also say 'pre-up modprobe ipv6' which I have no idea who ever thought that should ever be needed

peterS 2017-02-28 13:51:21

rjsalts: makes me wonder if this is even a tested config. You may indeed have to use post-up instead of pre-up, or similar

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:52:43

I would think there might be a race between link up and pre-up dhclient when booting

peterS 2017-02-28 13:53:03

yeah, that too

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:53:42

but I think you do want dhclient running before you assing prefix/netmask in inet6 static

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:53:50

assign even

peterS 2017-02-28 13:54:36

hmmmm. I would assume the opposite, as I'd assume it's more likely that the static config would notice dhclient already running than the converse

peterS 2017-02-28 13:54:42

anyway, try it both ways I guess

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:58:03

aha, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/1447715 looks like it might be relevant

peterS 2017-02-28 13:58:33

rjsalts: if you're following those instructions and you left in the 'modprobe ipv6', I think debian kernels have had ipv6 built directly into the kernel for a pretty long time now. (So, modprobe ipv6 is not exactly wrong, just pointless.)

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:58:56

peterS: I didn't bother with the modprobe ipv6

peterS 2017-02-28 13:59:01

heh, good

missmbob 2017-02-28 14:00:49

pre-up sleep 10 really is ugly

peterS 2017-02-28 14:01:46

that, or just 'dad-attempts 0' to disable DAD

rjsalts 2017-02-28 14:01:48

or pre-up echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/accept_dad

peterS 2017-02-28 14:02:02

(see 'man 5 interfaces', which does document a couple of DAD options)

rjsalts 2017-02-28 14:02:42

dad-attempts 0

peterS 2017-02-28 14:03:01

yeah, see if that makes a difference

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 14:03:04

I just set most of my things to "manual". But my use case is desktops with phyiscal access

peterS 2017-02-28 14:03:30

Shadow_7: it's so you can always RTFM, isn't it

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 14:04:05

Most times I $(service network-manager stop), I have the "stuff" installed, I just don't use it.

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 14:04:26

It's so I do everything full CLI, so whatever I do translates to any distro.

peterS 2017-02-28 14:04:40

yeah, well, I don't have n-m installed at all (:

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 14:04:45

And any stage of the installation process

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 14:05:35

I try not to, but when I try things out I don't uninstall them. So it eventually gets there.

peterS 2017-02-28 14:06:26

I'm so old fashioned I don't even use n-m on my laptop, preferring to 'sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces' to set the wifi network + password when I go somewhere

stoned 2017-02-28 14:06:45

peterS: ditto

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 14:18:28

I mostly run wpa_supplicant in an xterm and dhclient -4 -v wlan0. Plus other stuff since I bridge via ethernet through that machine.

#debian channel featuring semitones, Shadow_7, Vlan, rjsalts, missmbob, peterS,

Vlan 2017-02-28 13:08:02

Hello, I have an interesting behavior here with my debian server. I have a script that creates a file (touch or stdout redirection, it doesnt matter) and the new file is properly created. But how is it possible that running the same script via ssh /same user), the file is not created?

Vlan 2017-02-28 13:08:23

Some echo commands are executed, so it works in part

Vlan 2017-02-28 13:08:52

I am pretty sure this is a noob question so hopefully someone can enlighten me :D

peterS 2017-02-28 13:11:30

Vlan: lots of possibilities. first see whether using 'ssh -t' makes a difference. ('ssh -t' means to do a proper login with a terminal device, whereas ssh by default doesn't bother with that stuff if just directly running a command.)

peterS 2017-02-28 13:11:56

if so, if ssh -t makes it work, that doesn't directly solve your problem but it does point toward what the problem might be

Vlan 2017-02-28 13:14:28

peterS: ssh -t didnt do it :(

peterS 2017-02-28 13:15:26

Vlan: when you say stdout redirection, make sure you aren't making the dumb mistake of: 'ssh servername echo ok > /tmp/testfile' - where the redirection is happening on the client side instead of the server side

peterS 2017-02-28 13:15:41

(obviously 'touch' would not have this problem though)

Vlan 2017-02-28 13:16:21

peterS: I understand, however I'm not running the .sh as a oneliner along with the ssh login

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:16:25

any reason why my interface isn't getting set up? I have auto eth0 iface eth0 inet6 static ... but when the host boots it doesn't seem to add ipv6, the iface eth0 inet dhcp works though

Vlan 2017-02-28 13:16:58

peterS: I am invoking the .sh after I am logged in

Vlan 2017-02-28 13:17:04

this is weird huh?

peterS 2017-02-28 13:17:11

rjsalts: so you have two 'iface eth0' sections, one for inet and one for inet6, and only the one for inet works?

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:17:13

I also have to do pre-up dhclient -cf /etc/dhcp/dhclient6.conf -pf /run/dhclient6.eth0.pid -6 -P eth0 for dhcppd

Vlan 2017-02-28 13:17:18

also, I can touch files from that

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:17:30

peterS: yes, that's correct

peterS 2017-02-28 13:19:40

rjsalts: so it sounds like the 'inet dhcp' is not really working either, if you have to use pre-up in order to launch dhclient

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:20:14

peterS: and when I do ifup eth0 after boot it brings up the ipv6 addresses, it doesn't say that the process exists or what have you

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:20:30

peterS: the pre-up is on inet6 interface

peterS 2017-02-28 13:20:35

oh right

peterS 2017-02-28 13:21:00

wait... you have both static and dhcpv6 on the same interface?

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:21:04

peterS: but the dhclient for dhcp-pd is not running. There is a dhclient for ipv4 addresses

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:21:57

peterS: DHCP-PD, I'm requesting a prefix be allocated with my DUID, otherwise the subnets won't be routed to me

peterS 2017-02-28 13:22:31

rjsalts: you're requesting a prefix via dhcpv6 but you're also starting with a static base v6 address?

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:22:35

peterS: but it's a static prefix, and I'm selecting the ip address(es) I want out of that range

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:23:16

peterS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_delegation

peterS 2017-02-28 13:23:40

yes I know about prefix delegation. But normally if you use dhcpv6 for that you also use it to get your address

peterS 2017-02-28 13:23:52

I do remember being quite unhappy with the level of integration between ifupdown and dhcpv6, though, last time I had to try to make it work

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:24:39

peterS: this is my provider's documentation, which is pretty much what I've followed https://documentation.online.net/en/dedicated-server/network/ipv6/prefix

peterS 2017-02-28 13:25:09

(my own current situation is also dumb: my ISP sends me RA packets with no default route in them. So I have to use a script to extract the RA source address and set _that_ as my default gateway. Fun times.)

missmbob 2017-02-28 13:25:35

oh you're using systemd. i heard, not sure if it's true, that you have to specify ipv6 first, then ipv4 when there are both

missmbob 2017-02-28 13:25:48

is that the order you have them in?

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:26:04

missmbob: no, I have inet before inet6

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:26:37

missmbob: default init from jessie, so it's systemd iirc

semitones 2017-02-28 13:27:08

hello -- have any of you used openmediavault to make a NAS?

peterS 2017-02-28 13:28:01

rjsalts: my suspicion is that the 'inet6 static' is skipped because something notices you already have dhclient running on that interface (for v4). Or for that matter, already dhclient for v6.

peterS 2017-02-28 13:28:20

rjsalts: if you're launching dhclient for v6 in pre-up, try doing it in post-up maybe?

peterS 2017-02-28 13:29:32

though I do see that the online.net documentation mentions to do it as pre-up ... hmmm.

peterS 2017-02-28 13:30:09

wait ... why do they say 'address IPV6ADDRESS netmask PREFIXLEN'? It's supposed to be 'address IPV6ADDRESS/PREFIXLEN'

peterS 2017-02-28 13:30:59

(this also works with ipv4, as of debian wheezy, but it's what I've always seen used for ipv6.)

peterS 2017-02-28 13:32:25

huh, interesting, 'man interfaces' does mention that 'inet6' supports are 'netmask' line, but I've never seen anyone actually use it.

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:40:31

and it works fine after boot

rjsalts 2017-02-28 13:40:42

it's just not acting on the auto eth0 ....

peterS 2017-02-28 13:41:59

strange.

peterS 2017-02-28 13:42:09

I mean, multiple 'iface' have always worked for me.

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 13:42:45

peterS: csv with no whitespace?

#debian channel featuring oiaohm, nickgaw, Shadow_7, LennyKitty, dokma, ht,

dokma 2017-02-28 11:45:45

Is there anything like /usr/bin/fold that handles unicode properly?

missmbob 2017-02-28 11:45:52

nickgaw: you can replace...i dont know about delete

nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:47:13

How was debian installed before the debian-installer?

nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:50:16

Is there such a version of linux where I can have both rpm and dpkg and if I install a rpm dpkg will at least know about it so I can't install the same package using two package managers?

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 11:50:23

nickgaw: first installed it with floppies (26 for the whole set)

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 11:50:41

nickgaw: alien will convert .rpm to .deb

nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:50:48

so copying everything then dpkg?

nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:51:08

do I need rpm installed as well?

missmbob 2017-02-28 11:51:29

you want to. sometimes you have to extract something, for example.

oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:51:49

nickgaw: changing the package format is straight forwards having the dependancies work that is a totally different problem.

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 11:51:50

the depends: of alien has rpm

missmbob 2017-02-28 11:52:20

i recommend you not touch rpm's on debian other than extracting them for whatever reason

nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:52:25

could I build rpms on debian if the rpm tools were installed so I could do all packaging on debian?

Shadow_7 2017-02-28 11:53:11

probably better off using a vm or chroot for that

oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:53:21

nickgaw: again mostly no. The binaries will be build with debian dependancies. The reality is redhat and debian don't always name libraries the same.

dbarton 2017-02-28 11:53:46

oiaohm WORD, was writing the same :)

oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:54:42

nickgaw: if you really going cross distribution you do need to look at flatpak where you are selecting a runtime with application.

dbarton 2017-02-28 11:55:01

nickgaw you could probably do it if you don't need any libs etc… but even then, I ran into problems a few years ago when I've built an platform-independent RPM on RHEL6, because it wasn't compatible with RHEL5

nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:55:02

ok

oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:56:42

nickgaw: there are a lot of evils like gnu libc uses versioned functions. So you program using libc features can throw can fail if it built with a newer version of libc than the platform people attempt to install on.

oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:57:21

nickgaw: changing the package format is easy. Having the binary run is hard.

missmbob 2017-02-28 11:57:51

nickgaw: look at appimage too

nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:58:57

Does redhat and debian developers ever communicate?

oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:59:18

nickgaw: and as dbarton noted that even when you don't need to change package format you can have the complete thing fail.

oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:59:40

nickgaw: debian and redhat developer to talk to each other on different projects and at conferences.

nickgaw 2017-02-28 11:59:46

understandable

oiaohm 2017-02-28 11:59:51

nickgaw: but that does not make them all in the same page.

nickgaw 2017-02-28 12:00:07

what I mean is do they get along at all?

dbarton 2017-02-28 12:00:39

nickgaw completely different community…

oiaohm 2017-02-28 12:01:02

Redhat and Debian have the same fault. If you have a package built for a particular release it may not work on newer or older.

dbarton 2017-02-28 12:01:22

debian is open-source, RHEL is… well it is open-source… but it's driven by a sales-driven company

oiaohm 2017-02-28 12:01:26

Unless you go out of way to achieve that.

oiaohm 2017-02-28 12:01:59

nickgaw: really flatpak and appimage are attempt to go cross platform and avoid as much of the trouble as possible.

nickgaw 2017-02-28 12:02:09

are there no pay version of debian where secuity staff handle all updates for the user?

missmbob 2017-02-28 12:02:33

nickgaw: there are third party companies that do that. nothing official

dbarton 2017-02-28 12:02:48

nickgaw enterprise version? there isn't… but there are 3rd party companies doing that for you as a service

dbarton 2017-02-28 12:02:59

missmbob damn I was slower :)

nickgaw 2017-02-28 12:03:18

any advantages of those over the free security team?

missmbob 2017-02-28 12:03:39

you get to sit on your ass all day

oiaohm 2017-02-28 12:04:17

nickgaw: can be in LTS versions. Where since you can be paying the companies taking care of the LTS version you have say in what packages are included in debian LTS for maintaince.

dbarton 2017-02-28 12:04:18

nickgaw you've different issues… IMHO RedHat is one of the biggest insurance companies out there ;) they sell you "security" and "stability"… doesn't mean they do that well. most of the enterprise companies are afraid of "risks" so they "buy" security and therefore RHEL…

nickgaw 2017-02-28 12:04:39

why does unattended-upgrades not upgrade everything from security even when turned on?

missmbob 2017-02-28 12:05:04

nickgaw: did you read the wiki? it has some config settings you might want

oiaohm 2017-02-28 12:05:24

nickgaw: some cases it need a conflict resolve. That you have something installed preventing the update.

nickgaw 2017-02-28 12:08:32

where is the default /etc/crontab as mine was changed and I want to restore the default one?

missmbob 2017-02-28 12:09:30

nickgaw: https://paste.debian.net/917352/

nickgaw 2017-02-28 12:10:49

How can I take that and put it in place?

missmbob 2017-02-28 12:11:11

nickgaw: wget https://paste.debian.net/plain/917352

nickgaw 2017-02-28 12:11:32

ok will get it

ht 2017-02-28 12:30:27

hi

ht 2017-02-28 12:30:38

ok debian 8.7 is the current release :)

ht 2017-02-28 12:31:01

I'm trying to understand the version number format

ht 2017-02-28 12:31:26

can I get from 8.6 to 8.7 by doing apt-get upgrade?

missmbob 2017-02-28 12:31:33

yes

ht 2017-02-28 12:31:37

ok

ht 2017-02-28 12:31:38

.)

LennyKitty 2017-02-28 12:35:44

on virt-manager

LennyKitty 2017-02-28 12:35:49

how do I open a vm confifg

somiaj 2017-02-28 12:36:00

LennyKitty: virsh edit vm-name

somiaj 2017-02-28 12:36:12

LennyKitty: there may be an option to do that, but with virsh you can edit the xml directly

LennyKitty 2017-02-28 12:38:25

somiaj, virt-manager is the gui

somiaj 2017-02-28 12:38:49

correct, I'm unsure if the gui has such an option, if not just use virsh, it should modify the same vms

somiaj 2017-02-28 12:40:00

LennyKitty: I'm not getting any hits of ways to do it through the gui interface, but virsh should work

LennyKitty 2017-02-28 12:41:08

somiaj, ive done it before I just need to know how to open it :C